B-29 Superfortress in Zeeland, Holland??

Rules

So there is no trouble I just put a team together to make the rescue of 44-62100 happen and catching information for this!

if they can dig for Spitfire in Burma there is no doubt you can make this happen.

Know your ICAO codes…;)

I can name myselfe “HOLLYWOOD”
but my place will stay Langenfeld, Germany 😉

Rules can be exposed even flight ban zones

An example: My family owns a holiday home in the direct flight path of teh former NATO airbase Pferdsfeld EDSP/ETSP. My father a “Fluzeugführer” in WWII (FW 190, Me 109, 110, 262 and several other planes) did manage to get a permission flying with his Piper Arrow at least fifty times around our house there…
So I think a no diving zone could not really be the problem.

I am very often in Holland, at Noordwijk aan Zee for work and holiday and especially the people of Holland I know are very polite and helpful of specific issues e.g. it´s strictly prohibited to drive with your car onto the beach. I am a photographer and got the permission to drive with my beachbuggy onto the beach for one photosession

So there is no trouble I just put a team together to make the rescue of 44-62100 happen and catching information for this!

I am begging here and in other forums for help!

Forums are a very passive and often not very reliable way of gathering information, or even the right contacts. As is e-mail. My experience: do your own research first, explore every source available (some have been suggested in this thread), then pick up the phone, ask around (politely) and you’d be surprised how many people can provide pointers, will refer to others for information, and get things done. Timeconsuming, yes, but very effective.

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Have you even been to Holland or seen the Scheldt??[/QUOTE]

I think you will find about half of the contributors to this thread are Dutch and very familiar with the area.

Hum, what’s the trouble is ?

From the information available this plane is an no dive area, so expect by gaining a special authorization, no way to dive on this plane.
And the fact is, that plane is more than probably buried in sand.

So, It’s always possible to retrieve it, but with difficulties and cost very high, so the probability to retrieved it a very low.

And to answer the coming question: yes, I know the Scheldt and the area…

@ EHVB:
Thanks a lot for your reply!
Sorry but there is one point you are wrong: I AM INTERESTED and willing to bring her back without any matter if she´s 50 cm or 50 meters below…
A detailed description where to find 44-62100 is still missing…
Too sad that you aren´t interested enough to help and be part of it!!

Have you even been to Holland or seen the Scheldt?? :confused:

Know your ICAO codes…;)

What is your problem? I said nothing that is not true. Novbody is interested in that wreck. It belongs, like everything below 50 cm of the soil, to the Dutch state. You are no party for them. Like the B29 in Lake Mead, it is where it is, and remain there.

So end of discussion for me. And if you want to read the article, do a search in Piloot & Vliegtuig, 2001, the one with on the cover an Iberia 747 nose and an Iberia Fokker 50 on it.

@ Anon: thanks alot for your reply and new ideas of ways to go for my search.
B-29s are not only very rare in Europe even in the whole world I think 😉

Because of this and to bring one more back to light I am begging here and in other forums for help!
The official answer of the USAF /USAAF (in short words) is that they don’t know anything, they aren’t interested in any B-29 anymore and if you find one you have to deal with the owner of the land/water the plane is on or in to take it…
Of course there are a lot of specialists or groups which are familiar with B-29 and their history but rather no one knows more about 44-62100 or wants to tell something about it…

especially by Mr. EHVB! I am very disappointed! 😡
You told so often in several Threads here you would know… you have to dive to and you will do… 30 meters or have it been 60… diving in this place is not alowed… bla bla bla!! Have you even been to Holland or seen the Scheldt?? :confused:

B-29

You don’t seem to be having much luck, piratepat. Perhaps you could look at police or military records for the area? That may yield some clues or further information about the wreck.

There are also researchers in the US who will provide information, if you can give them a serial number they are able to access records over there or may have extensive information of their own. Some of the “diggers” who look at this forum may be able to point you in that direction, perhaps?

Going back to Bravo24’s post regarding the Tintagel Hunter, the pilot of the aircraft, Alick Nicholson, is alive and well and living in the Lake District. Here is the story of the events leading up to the crash:

http://www.tintagelweb.co.uk/Tintagel%20Plane%20Crash.htm

Makes interesting reading (sorry for the thread hijack, piratepat). Good Luck in your search, it will make a very interesting recovery, if you find it. B-29’s are rather rare in Europe.

Anon.

ok, once again…

After writing with the US AIR FORCE because of the rights of the ownership of 44-62100 I am back here and in several other forums too.
I am still very interested in where the B-29 is and to bring her back to daylight!
And again I am very thankful about any hint or even rumors helping to find her!!

@ EHVB:
It is very sad…
I thought you would know a little more about this plane and the place to find her. I may be wrong but it seemed bringing her back to daylight would be a big wish or dream of you too…
And once again: where can the article about this sunken plane been read?

@ all: is there noone else a bit more familiar with this b29 I am looking for?? :confused:

Happy New Year and a lot of Health!!

Tony T,
i recall the Hunter from Brawdy that was abandoned after being pointed out to sea, which then did a 180 only to fly up Tintagel high st. and crash against the corner of a building. The chap up a ladder some feet away was quite surprised but uninjured. This about 1980.

Happy landings

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

@ EHVB:

I´m very glad to welcome you!
There are so many different versions about 44-62100 and where she ditched or crashed even if she should have been sunk in western Sheldt between Vlissingen and Borssele there are differences about the depth of the water there. Several people wrote about 30 to 60 meter or in feet…
others who lived at his time there told me the Sheld wasn´t deeper than ten to twelf meters there…
Id really love to read your article about this mysterious plane
and if I know where she is i will try everything to bring her back to the sunlight!

Unfortunately once abandoned an aircraft then take on a life of its own, take the Hawk abandoned heading out to sea in the south of England that then turned to the dismay of the pilot hanging on his chute and headed inland.. Or the abandoned Mig 23? on take off due to loss of power that then regained power flew all the way to Belgium and landed on a house killing the poor beggar in it.

Lübeck is more than 650 km away and the way from the western Sheldt to there is over land, where people live…
wouldn´t it be better to steer a dying plane into the open sea without risking an accident.

I think the statement of the British is a joke or just to keep the position of the missing plane dark…

And just to show the ‘reliable’ information that is in papers:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CGAQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fresources3.kb.nl%2F010850000%2Fpdf%2FDDD_010850656.pdf&ei=EBjPUPDaGeiZ0QWryIHgCA&usg=AFQjCNHEcuyhTwHCZtAdCRyIIabEe-Nu6A

tells of the aircraft flying around in the Lübeck (Germany) area without its crew after they supposedly jumped out over the Westerschelde off Borssele.

The aircraft is in a no diving zone, and 30 to 60 meters deep. Most probably burried under many meters of sand. I wrote an article on it, in 2001. it floated for a considerable time, so it was more or less in 1 part after the ditch. Some crew parachuted from it, but others stayed onboard. Chances of raising it, or even dive to it are nil.