B25 Production Line

Dont forget that copywrite and distribution/use rights are different. Which ever I still think it’s wrong, I wouldn’t have the balls to download say the lovely Mustang picture above and try and sell it for my own gain.
I’ve noticed the same treatment to British sources which is copywrite protected.
Maybe I’m a bit too moralistic, but something to bear in mind when things get tight!

Using them as an educational or discussionsource on wiki/forums etc with credit is one thing, printing them and selling them, and not admitting the original source, for your own gain is something else entirely.

As far as copyright…there isn’t any on US government produced items.

Nothing stops someone from selling POH reprints or (to use a common example) survival manuals.

From a British perspective this is probably one of the more interesting.

Although digital is quick, instant and free I can’t help thinking we are doing ourselves a miss justice but not taking more film. These old photo’s are just so much more evocative than any digital photo could be.

Using them as an educational or discussionsource on wiki/forums etc with credit is one thing, printing them and selling them, and not admitting the original source, for your own gain is something else entirely.

Wikipedia/Wikimedia justify using US Military photos thus ‘This image or file is the work of a US Air Force Airman or employee, taken or made during the course of the person’s official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal Government, the image or file is in the public domain.’ An advantage of living in a Republic and a Democracy, perhaps.
These old OWI/LoC colour images are available online as 150-190Mb TIFF files which take20+ minutes to download and most Photoshop versions struggle to handle

probably copyright expired and in public domain, so doubt anything would happen to them

Still no reason to save them to the HD, print them off, and flog them off to the ususpecting on EBay.
Imagine doing that with RAFM and IWM images!

That Mustang shot is absolutely superb, looks like it was taken yesterday on the best kit

From a British perspective this is probably one of the more interesting.

Also available here….

http://www.shorpy.com/node/93?size=_original

along with Rosie the riveter…..

http://www.shorpy.com/node/1624?size=_original

The originals are from The Library of Congress archive.
For more have a browse. Fantastic quality to the colours

http://www.shorpy.com/image/tid/179

Hope no one’s trying to flog it on ebay as their own… I think it comes from this source

http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/2179070073/

It’s been discussed before: but there’s some truly amazing photographs in it from the 30’s and 40’s, aviation related and otherwise.

(….best not look unless you’ve the whole day free though…..)

Hi,
probably copyright expired and in public domain, so doubt anything would happen to them
cheers
Jerry

I believe the Kansas City plant later was used by Chevrolet.

If so, I’ve been there. In the 4 or 5th grade we took a tour of it as part of the end of year field trip.

IIRC, the same day we had lunch and spent the afternoon at Fort Osage, overlooking the Missouri River. It looked like a set from the old Daniel Boone TV series or Last of the Mohicans film. A real bit of wilderness and a real piece of frontiersman and Indians history. A lot of fun for a 9 or 10 year old.

Hope no one’s trying to flog it on ebay as their own… I think it comes from this source

http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/2179070073/

This seems to be a growing trend, well known, official, & personal photographs being sold on EBay by anyone with a high quality printer

Where’s Rosie? 😉

Your probably right but I can count at least 9 people in that pic:D

I see at least 19….

People

Long camera exposure and everyone else is moving so fast they do not appear on the film?

Your probably right but I can count at least 9 people in that pic:D

Great picture, thanks for sharing it!

Look at the working conditions, no safety harness, no rails on the stand, no hard hats, just get the job done and win the war.

It’s a very timeless picture. There is no sense of `age`. It could be a modern photo of a modern production line.

Nah, today there’d be red roll cabs all over the show with Snap-On stickers all over ’em…

It’s a very timeless picture. There is no sense of `age`. It could be a modern photo of a modern production line.

‘Where is everybody?’

Long camera exposure and everyone else is moving so fast they do not appear on the film?

Hope no one’s trying to flog it on ebay as their own… I think it comes from this source

http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/2179070073/

It’s been discussed before: but there’s some truly amazing photographs in it from the 30’s and 40’s, aviation related and otherwise.

(….best not look unless you’ve the whole day free though…..)

I have that same photo with the caption:

B-25s NAA Kansas City Ks Oct 1942

As all the B-25Ds were built at the Kansas City plant, they have to be -Ds.

It looks like they are nearly complete, but are waiting for a shipment of the Bendix L dorsal turret… which is why not much work is going on.

The B-25B/C/D/Gs had the dorsal turret on the aft fuselage.

Lack of tail gunner position.

Actually, there was no tail gun in any of the 120 B-25Bs, the 1,619 B-25Cs, the 2,290 B-25Ds, or the 464 B-25Gs.

130 B-25 aircraft were delivered by December 7, 1941… including 24 B-25s, 40 B-25As, and 66 B-25Bs. B-25Cs & B-25Ds were also under assembly before Dec. 7, 1941.

Delivery dates:

North American, Inglewood Ca.
B-25: February 1941 (first light August 19, 1940)
B-25A: March 1941 – August 1941
B-25B: August 1941 – January 1942
B-25C: December 1941 – May 1943
B-25G: October 1942 – mid-1943.

North American, Kansas City Ks (production began in the early fall of 1941).
B-25D: February 1942 – March 1944

Note that the B-25H (all built at Inglewood from mid-1943 – July 1944) and the B-25J (all built at Kansas City from mid-1943 – August 1945) had the dorsal turret forward, just behind the cockpit.