BA Fleet news

Hi Guys,
Does anyone know or can they point me to a website which would know the total cycles and distance discovered in service for the now defunct BA A320 G-BUSD.

MTIA

Raymy

The kangaroo route is a term to denote passenger airline flights between Europe and Australia and New Zealand, via the Eastern Hemisphere. These flights generally have a stopover along the Southeast Asia flight corridor.

Thanks Steve for information.

James

G-BUSD has been withdrawn from service and has been parted out at ATC Lasham.

Is ATC Lasham the one at Southend by any chance???:rolleyes:

Cheers for the heads up, I’d better snap a few more of them before they disappear!

Could we see the Triple-7 300-series in BA’s colours in the near future?

Didn’t BA reserve slots on the 777 production line last year anyhow ? My guess is more 777-200’s as the stop-gap until they see how A: the A380 shapes up and B: How the 747-8 ‘shapes up’.

Yes, they reserved 10 delivery slots for the 777, but no model was defined.

Nevermind that, what about filling them? In order to fill them year round, BA might need to consolidate two flights into 1. That would take away one of their biggest selling points, the choice to fly when you want, IE: Frequency. And before someone uses the slot restraints trump card to argue this, please remember, BA already have all the slots they need, its not like they plan a massive increase in flights or that Heathrow needs to reduce slots.

I think BA will get some, for their more busy routes. But I don’t think they’ll get many. And even then, they’ll probably have to bite the bullet and run them a third to a quarter empty during parts of the year.

I’m not so sure about the 747-8 either. From a fleet infrasturcture point of view it makes sense. But do BA really need such big aircraft? Its got much the same issue as the A380 in terms of getting filled. Then again, BA can get away with replacing their 744s with 748s one to one and suffer less empty seats than the A380.

As for the rest of the fleet. Being as unbiased as I can be, the 777 and 787 make the most sense, purely on economics, availablity and infrastructure. They already have a big 777 fleet so have everything they need to service them.
The 787 will have a 777 based flightdeck and should only require a short conversion course, much like A320 to A340 type conversion times. (note the us eof the word should)

And lets be honest, the A340 is a dead horse. Airbus are even offering to pay the difference in fuel burn (versus the 773ER) to sell them. I doubt BA will select it over the 777.

As for the the A350. Well, it is still highly unknown, its on its 6th or 7th revision (I’ve lost count) and is still far from a final configuration with no gaurantee it won’t change again soon.

The A330 is the only viable product for BA, but it would only cover the aging 767 fleet. A 787 could probably do that job better.

All very valid reasons and i agree with you up to a point.

1. We dont know the terms and conditions Boeing or Airbus are offering

2. We don’t know what BA’s stratergy will be when they replace there current LH fleet.

3. BA is the worlds largest cargo airline, without its own cargo fleet (not counting the 2 sub contracted 747s at Stansted) so even if it doesn’t fill the 747-8 or Airbus A380 to capacity, it only means more revenue from freight, and sometimes carrying belly freight is the difference between profit and loss on some routes.

4. BA have always said that the A340-500/600 is not on there radar for fleet replacement or temperary cover.

5. The 787 hasn’t flown yet, it may be a complete dog (i would put my house on a bet to say it WONT be) and with new technology who knows if the project will run to time or have a relativly trouble free test programme…Nobody knows the answer to this question!

6. BA will not be a launch customer for any new airplane A or B, considering there new 744’s arrived 4 months late, There 757’s also arrived late and the troubles caused by the 777, which i believe just wasn’t down to the GE90’s burning oil issues.

Well… One thing’s for sure. As long as BA have ridiculous restrictions and charges on luggage our band won’t be flying with them again in the near future, but that’s OK. We like KLM! I have to say it’s a shame though, as I’ve flown short, medium and long haul with BA and I’ve always liked them a lot. I might still get a few personal flights in with them.

I think this has seen better days…

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1171088/L/

That’s such a sad photo. I flew on ‘SD’ a couple of years ago in happier times. I hate it when planes die. 😡

Paul

Bmused55 I agree 100%, but I still stand by my hangar theory!:) .
As much as I love the A330 it would only be a stop gap. 787 or A350 are the only succesors of the beloved 767’s. Both have their minus points. A350, a warmed over 330 with loads of new technologies added and the 787 all new, all composite and all electric bird??? The all composite fuselage fills me with dread!! One catering truck, one clumsy Pole…… I can just about handle the SRM on a 737/757/767 but one involving a wound composite fuselage barrel???
I can safely bet my life (well almost!!) on a 777 interim order, but in the long tearm , I don’t know.

Rgds Cking

The problem with the 380 is, will it fit into any BA hangar??? No matter how cheap Airbus will peddle the 380, if BA has to spend millions building hangars for them it will not be woth it. A tail dock for a 747-800 will be the fraction of the cost new A380 hangars.

Rgds Cking

Nevermind that, what about filling them? In order to fill them year round, BA might need to consolidate two flights into 1. That would take away one of their biggest selling points, the choice to fly when you want, IE: Frequency. And before someone uses the slot restraints trump card to argue this, please remember, BA already have all the slots they need, its not like they plan a massive increase in flights or that Heathrow needs to reduce slots.

I think BA will get some, for their more busy routes. But I don’t think they’ll get many. And even then, they’ll probably have to bite the bullet and run them a third to a quarter empty during parts of the year.

I’m not so sure about the 747-8 either. From a fleet infrasturcture point of view it makes sense. But do BA really need such big aircraft? Its got much the same issue as the A380 in terms of getting filled. Then again, BA can get away with replacing their 744s with 748s one to one and suffer less empty seats than the A380.

As for the rest of the fleet. Being as unbiased as I can be, the 777 and 787 make the most sense, purely on economics, availablity and infrastructure. They already have a big 777 fleet so have everything they need to service them.
The 787 will have a 777 based flightdeck and should only require a short conversion course, much like A320 to A340 type conversion times. (note the us eof the word should)

And lets be honest, the A340 is a dead horse. Airbus are even offering to pay the difference in fuel burn (versus the 773ER) to sell them. I doubt BA will select it over the 777.

As for the the A350. Well, it is still highly unknown, its on its 6th or 7th revision (I’ve lost count) and is still far from a final configuration with no gaurantee it won’t change again soon.

The A330 is the only viable product for BA, but it would only cover the aging 767 fleet. A 787 could probably do that job better.

The problem with the 380 is, will it fit into any BA hangar??? No matter how cheap Airbus will peddle the 380, if BA has to spend millions building hangars for them it will not be woth it. A tail dock for a 747-800 will be the fraction of the cost new A380 hangars.

Rgds Cking

I think dont BA will get the A380 something tells me there gonna go all 777.

Didn’t BA reserve slots on the 777 production line last year anyhow ? My guess is more 777-200’s as the stop-gap until they see how A: the A380 shapes up and B: How the 747-8 ‘shapes up’.

Whats the Kangaroo Route:confused: BA wont get any A380 They go for the B747-8.

JAmes

The kangaroo route is a term to denote passenger airline flights between Europe and Australia and New Zealand, via the Eastern Hemisphere. These flights generally have a stopover along the Southeast Asia flight corridor.

Great info there regarding the BA fleet,hope they go for Airbus,as they’ve sent enough money towards boeing in the past,and it could also influence EADS into being nice to Airbus UK when it cuts jobs.

Interesting logic you have there :rolleyes:

What, pray tell, do you think Airbus have to offer BA right now? Apart from the odd A380.

I think dont BA will get the A380 something tells me there gonna go all 777.

Qantas plan to use theirs on the kangaroo route…..i bet it’s not long ’till BA places an order

Whats the Kangaroo Route:confused: BA wont get any A380 They go for the B747-8.

JAmes

Hmmm… what chance this I wonder… ? 😉

Qantas plan to use theirs on the kangaroo route…..i bet it’s not long ’till BA places an order

I think this has seen better days…

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1171088/L/

Great info there regarding the BA fleet,hope they go for Airbus,as they’ve sent enough money towards boeing in the past,and it could also influence EADS into being nice to Airbus UK when it cuts jobs.

Hmmm… what chance this I wonder… ? 😉

Great info there regarding the BA fleet,hope they go for Airbus,as they’ve sent enough money towards boeing in the past,and it could also influence EADS into being nice to Airbus UK when it cuts jobs.