Bader letter – very very rare

No problem, Charlie. Thanks for the reply.

There is enough letters there to mock up the following..

3 May 1945

To Proprietor of Stock Hotel

Many thanks for sending my valuables left in your safe in 1943, I have been out of the country since August 1941 and only just got back

I think Pete, Simon and TeeJ have cleaerd this one up quite nicely!:)

[QUOTE=TEEJ;1962640]Charlie,
There is only two versions because Pete has scanned and removed the joined up part for effect.

Apologies, TEEJ, I had missed that point. In which case we have the corroboration from the auction house that the date on the envelope is 55, so that it would appear to be the genuine article. If so I retract my doubts.

Does anyone else have scans of “authenticated” examples of Bader’s handwriting for comparison purposes?

Charlie,
There is only two versions because Pete has scanned and removed the joined up part for effect.

and by removing the joined up part, I reckon it could easily be a number 5.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1962621&postcount=24

I can’t see any difference? Where should I be looking?

In the letter the OP posted the dates are clearly 85 and 84 but in Merlinpete’s post above they are clearly 55 and 54.

I’ve been awake most of the night, trying to produce a solution to this conundrum.

Thanks Simon for clearing the envelope mystery up. I didn’t see your earlier post.

I can’t see any difference? Where should I be looking?

I think we have two versions.

Compare the letter shown in my link here:

http://www.autographauctions.co.uk/b…12&LotRef=1186

to the letter in the post above.

Why on earth would someone still be using old dialling codes if the letter originates from the 1980s? If someone was attempting to pass off a 1980s forgery then why would they use a code system that was defunct in the 1960s and use dates post death?

As already pointed out in this thread.

WEStern = Kensington Western part of central London

The new figure codes were in place by the mid-1960s and the code would have been 937.

http://www.rhaworth.myby.co.uk/phreak/tenp_01.htm

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question60221.html

Also take into account that Peter Wiener was an autograph collector and appeared to be actively collecting in the 1950 and 60s. The Bader letter claims to come with the original envelope addressed to Peter Wiener. The envelope would be the key to the mystery of the 1950s or 1980s dates. The stamp (s), address, zip codes, franking,etc would be the deciding factor in this case.

Accompanied by the original envelope hand addressed by Bader.

http://www.autographauctions.co.uk/bidcat/detail.asp?SaleRef=0012&LotRef=1186

Letter OK?

I have contacted the auction house, it is 1955 and 1954, Bader has ‘swept’ his pen across the page making the 5 appear to be an 8. The envelope it came in is ‘franked’ 1955.

You’re possibly right Pete, but the two 5s still look quite different to me.

I don`t know whether it`s genuine or not, but I know that my father joins his numbers up in the same way, and by removing the joined up part, I reckon it could easily be a number 5.
Again, anything`s possible, but why would anyone going to the trouble of presumably mimicking someones handwriting quite well, not also check the basic facts?

Pete

I agree.

Am I the only one confused as to why people are trying to convince themselves that this letter dated 55/54 when it is clearly and unmistaskably dated 85/84:confused:

No matter how hard I look at this letter there is nothing that convinces me it is anything but a fake.

John.

Possibly but the five looks very different in shape and form to what looks like an eight, whichever way you look at it?

It would mkae more sense being a ’55’ though, if someone went to the lengths to get the address and number right I would think they would know that he passed away in 1982.

By studying his hand writing you begin to see that the style that is 55 and 54

Apart from the October 1984 that he alludes to in the text of the letter?

if its 55 script on the letter not 85 then it makes sense its 54 referred to
in the letter. as his first five joins the second.