Balls !!

Charlie,

in German Football we have the “Ausländerregelung” or the Foreigners Law which demands that every professional German Team must have at least eight Players that were either born in Germany or trained in a German team between the age of 15 and 21 without interruption. The Bundesliga has 61 percent German Players.
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Sounds like what we should have here Peter. Although I don’t see it happening.

I remember a game being played between Arsenal and Chelsea (I seem to remember). Where only one
of the players on the pitch was eligible to play for England.

Then you make my point for me, Peter!

Oh he gets all the support he deserves from the “oldun”! I kick about with him and that keeps me fit despite declining years and I never miss a match – he plays for school and a local club.

But none of that detracts from my deep distaste for and lack of interest in the professional game.

Charlie,

in German Football we have the “Ausländerregelung” or the Foreigners Law which demands that every professional German Team must have at least eight Players that were either born in Germany or trained in a German team between the age of 15 and 21 without interruption. The Bundesliga has 61 percent German Players.
If your Grandson likes playing Football, be enthusiastic about it! Tell him he’s doing a great Job! You can think about footbal whatever you like but encourage him! Attend his matches and you’ll be doing him a great favour.

A quick question for you after that diatribe. What is the average percentage of born and bred Germans in their top two leagues? A great deal higher than in England perhaps……..?

My grandson, who is going through his football junkie phase, told me that the English Premier League percentage is under 14%!! And still declining. And they wonder why the national team never wins anything……..

As usuall those who are shouting the loudest are those with the least idea of things. First the average premier-league match takes place either on a week-day evening and/or on Saturday or even Sunday afternoon. This is when the majority of the “moaners” here are at home tucked up nice and warm and are probably watching Dr. Who or something else! And these schedules are IN ADDITION to their regular Training during the week. A professional Footballer can’t go to the Manager telling him he would like to have a fortnights leave with his Family in April or May or June because his children are on Holiday then. He won’t get his leave then, because it’s in the middle of the season. He can have his leave either in the winter-break (one week) or in the summer break provided he’s not playing in an european or world Championship. Some footballers’ anuall leave is squashed into three weeks per year in summer and they have no option. If the average Office-Clerk or miner or steel worker would have to work under conditions like these, their trade Unions would have the time of their life! And this is ONE of the reasons why they get paid to well.
I have been Coach of a local Soccer Team for more than ten years and this was at the bottom of the ladder! What I did was getting nowhere near professional Football but even in my league it is very hard work to Keep fit! I have seen hundreds of permier-league matches in Germany, I have spoken to the Players and I have watched their Training. I can say that their Stamina is amazing and for them to stay fit and healthy is an incredible amount of work. And this is their 9to5 daytime Job. The matches are in the evenings and during the Weekends.
German Football reached its lowest point in the early 1990s when they were kicked out off the world Championship in the first round twice. It was then that it was realised they had to start at the bottom of the ladder. Adequate Training-programmes were set p even for seven-year-olds! What began then was an amazing Nation-wide Programme for children and youths in amateur Clubs aiming at getting the most out off them, having fun playing Football and they loved it and still do. This is what Needs to be done in Britain.

Put bluntly, can you list England match finals won please…

Put equally bluntly, no, because I don’t care; to reach the final a team has to win its quarter-final and semi-final matches, and, if you’re that interested, Google it to see who they beat on the way. And they are English teams, not England teams; there is a difference.

To Moggy, I would just point out Czarist Russia was hardly a great success story

I don’t think I suggested it was.

Moggy

Hi Edgar…

Nice little list you have there, but begs the question is this a list showing England team finalists or one showing all games played and won from quarter-finals matches progressing to the semi-finals, to the winners play in the final.

Put bluntly, can you list England match finals won please…

From the 1970s:-
“Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man; communism is the exact opposite.”

Suspect we may agree about more than we disagree about. However the inequalites do bother me. My real concern is the real lack of opportunity for many people, in particular the opportunity for real, meaningful, properly paid work and also the opportunity to own their own property at a realistic price. I am fortunate, I have had those opportunities but far too many of our fellow citizens are denied them. I am very far from wealthy but do enjoy some reasonable degree of security in retirement.

Agree with you re. oppressed people in Britain in 21st Century but there are many who feel totally overlooked and neglected by our politicians: we are not listened to.

PM

“Charlie………..Sorry to disappoint but I am neither a Communist nor a communist. “

I am pleased to hear it PM, but I do not share your doubts about the so-called inequalities you describe and I certainly envy no one as I said.

The key word from both the failed regimes of Northern Asia is oppression. Oppressed peoples will eventually revolt. Anyone who feels oppressed in 21st century Britain needs a reality check!!:)

Charlie………..Sorry to disappoint but I am neither a Communist nor a communist. However I do see great problems ahead for societies where the rich are becoming richer (much richer) and the poor becoming poorer. Yesterday a leading investment banking house paid out £370 million to 121 of its UK employees. At the same time we have thousands of our fellow citizens (many in what is called ’employment’, also known as zero hour contracts) relying on food banks to help them exist. The 121 were employees, not the founders of the of businesses.

I have no problem with true entrpreneurs (whoops, spelling!!) founding businesses creating wealth and employment i.e. the likes of Richard Branson, Charles Rolls and Henry Royce. These took real risks with largely their own money.

You, yourself admit to having misgivings about some in the public sector being overpaid (with our money) for doing shoddy work. This of course is not just confined to the public sector. Privatisation has lead to the formation of many so called private sector companies which are really nothing of the sort. The railway industry being the perfect example. Nominally “private”, with the Government pulling most of the levers but leaving an army of cats in charge to get fat at our expense. These folk can’t loose, money will come in anyway, either by exorbitant fares or public subsidy. “Heads you win, tails I loose !!!””

To Moggy, I would just point out Czarist Russia was hardly a great success story, in fact the seeds the revolution were down to a great inequality in wealth and the unwillingness of those in power to take note of what millions of their subjects were thinking.

So I guess not much changes……………

PM

Ah, Waco, your second paragraph! Now where have I read that oft pontificated nonsense before……..?;)

A wonderful sentiment, but what do you suggest the ‘something else’ is? Most of the obvious alternatives have been tried and work even less well.

Always reminds me of the guy who contacted the Air Ministry with ‘the solution’ to the air raid threat posed by the Luftwaffe. He was granted an interview, and it turned out to be a ray/force field generator which would seize the enemies aircraft engines. It was agreed to be a brilliant solution and he was asked for further design information.

“Oh, I haven’t gone into any of those details. I’m sure your experts can look after that”

Moggy

Well Jim…it makes a change from the banks and a number of financial institutions (ie pension companies)….where the managers perform dreadfully but get pots of money and pay rises whilst the workers get made redundant !

Its called capitalism…..it doesn’t work, it never has. It simply keeps a very small number of people very rich whilst everyone suffers to varying degrees.

And until we try something else….that’s just how its going to stay !

Still waiting for a reply, as to when the Team plays badly, why do they sack the Manager?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Planemike – a communist among us to be sure and as Moggy implied – not an experiment to recommend itself!!

Envy and resentment is a poisonous cocktail and the source of much danger and discontent. Good luck to those who by their hard work, ability and/or good luck command large salaries. I am however appalled to see taxpayers money being spent on huge salaries and fat golden handshakes in the state sector, often propping up badly run and inefficient services.

So tell me, how do they fair in the European Championship?

Winners: 1968 Manchester United; 1977 Liverpool; 1978 Liverpool; 1979 Notts Forest; 1980 Notts Forest; 1981 Liverpool; 1982 Aston Villa; 1984 Liverpool; 1999 Manchester United; 2005 Liverpool; 2008 Manchester United; 2012 Chelsea.
Runners-up: 1975 Leeds; 1985 Liverpool; 2006 Arsenal; 2007 Liverpool; 2008 Chelsea; 2009 Manchester United.
And, if you check, I’m fairly sure that you’ll find that not one of those teams was 100% made up of English players.

Hi Edgar…

“they pay them to win the Premier League, in the hope that they can enter the money-spinning European Championship.”

So tell me, how do they fair in the European Championship?

When you start to resent or envy what others earn remember to look down as well as up…

…if you earn £21,000 per year you are in the top 1% of ‘fat cats’ in the whole world!