Ban Ferrari from Formula One

Well. Just cast your minds back over the last few decades, remember when everyone was moaning about Williams winning every race?, then along came Maclaren, and the same happened there, winning race after race, everyone moaning again, then Ferari, picked up and started winning, YUP, everyone moans again, Red Bulls not doing too bad at the moment, don’t seem to hear anyone moaning about them YET!

Any F1 race is a massive gamble, far too many factors can win or lose any race from drivers to mechanicle failure Vettle took pole last week, but didn’t win.It’s impossible to forcast who will win any race, just because your the team that has the largest budget to play with don’t mean you can buy your team 1st place in every race.

From my own personal view, the greatest race in the year, was and always will be Le Mans, where both man and machine are tested to the very edge.

Lincoln. 7

Hi,

I find it a bit pathetic what goes on in F1 and made the race this thread is about a real disappointment

:rolleyes:

sureley you can’t be serious of that belief !!!

ferrari is a huge percentage of f1 , banning them would loose masses of money

they are like it or not the superstars of formula 1 and an aspirational car company

i prefer lotus , williams and mclaren

but ferrari would be a huge legend lost !!

If someone asked me to name 5 car makers Ferrari would be way off my list. Could be because 1) It is a marque I have never had any desire to own and 2) I am old enough to remember when they were an independent comapny not owned by Fiat. I still say that F1 doesn’t need them.The other teams are not under the impression that the FIA is there for their sole benefit, unlike Ferrari.

Ferrari need F1 not the other way around.

Well, true, but F1 need Ferrari too, not as much as Ferrari need F1 but still, they’re needed. Not so much as in a sport, but commercial.

If someone asks you; from the top of your head name five car makers without thinking about it, one of them would be without doubt, Ferrari. Theres always a new generation of car enthusiasts coming about that don’t really pay attention to any kind of motorsport, sounds odd but its true, but still, they’re Ferrari nuts at heart, they get a bit more into them, not only do they follow their progress of road cars but they start to follow their racing progress, of which F1 was probably the most popular place to start. Thats how a lot of people get into F1. You’ll probably never hear anyone say; I got into F1 because I took a keen interest in the Sauber team’.

Saying that, theres a majority of F1 fans that have no clue what got them interested in F1, I’m probably one of them.

@ Lincoln 7, very lucky for you, really, I’ve never gotten that close to an F1 race even though I was very fortunate to meet my all time F1 hero twice. I’d love to have met Nigel, dispite him being a bit of a tough guy and maybe seem a little intimidating and being nicknamed Lion heart’, I’ve heard he’s a bit of a big softy at heart, real nice bloke.

I met Martin Brundle briefly too, he’s a good bloke too, very pleasant. He was hanging about with Damon when I met him in 99

Ferrari have been given a fine of 100,000 USD. Must be pocket change for them.

Probably find more than that down the back of the sofa in their team motorhome.:D Ban them they would be quick enough to demand it for any other team why should they be any different? Ferrari need F1 not the other way around.

But how sweet will it be when he is retired in say 15 years time and on a show and the presenter turns to him and says, “so how many wins did you have in your career Alonso?”, and when he reply’s the presenter retorts “I said actual wins, not those races that were given to you, but proper wins, won off your own back without the team presenting you with it” 😀

…then there’s Barrichello overtake of Schumacher last w/e……….

agreed safety is now a lot better but it is still more risky than cycle racing

remember you cannot account for every eventuality

we could so easily have had massas’ name added to the list recently if things had turned out difrently

as for the isle of man , that is what atracts the riders , the adrenaline of it being dangerous away from the track

I totaly agree with your comments however, ANY deaths are very sad, I know for many, money and fame are the driving factors in many cases, but look at Sennas death, tradgic whichever way you look at it, but due to his death, the many, many safety features now having been put in place, as recommended by the drivers themselves, we see crashes at unbelievable speeds, but the drivers mainly, and I say MAINLY walk away.unscathed.

I.M.H.O. the race that even watching, frightens me to death, is the Isle of Mann T.T. races, Telegraph poles and lamp posts also walls, are not forgiving.

Lincoln. 7

Whilst I would partialy agree, re fitness, and I would say BOTH drivers of F1 cars and the Tour De France riders must be incredibly fit, I bet the riders don’t get paid anywhere near the F1 drivers. Did you see the 180 mph crash, and the driver got out and walked away, (Thank goodness) but when a cyclist hits the road, and at a somewhat equal turn of speed, what protection do they have?.
Lincoln. 7

agreed !! but there have only been three tour de france deaths

1935 spannish rider francesco gepeda ( died after crashing into a ravine )

1967 english rider tom simpson died of heart failure braught on by drink and amphetamines on an ascent

1995 italian rider fabbio carsatelli died after a descent crash travelling at 88 kph suffering massive head injuries from a roadside concrete block
he wasn’t wearing his helmet that day although the severity of the accident it is debateable if it would have saved him anyway !!

the total of tour de france deaths is actualy four

but the french rider adolphe heliere drowned on the cote dazure during a rest day in 1910

ronnie peterson , ayrton senna , tom pryce , roland ratzenburger , gilles vilenueve , peter collins ,riccardo palletti , mark donnahue , helmuth koinigg ,yochen rindt , piers courage , gerhard mitter

just some of the 24 on track deaths from a much younger sport

Lightning,Further to your last, David Coulthard was also in the Ferrari pit at the same time as schumacher.
Now, in 1988, I was a guest again in the Williams pit at Silverstone, but very sick just having had major surgery. Not only was I in the pit, but was also allowed on the pit wall, DURING the race.
If you remember, as I very well do, it was pouring down with rain at the time, and Nigel Mansel came second. At the time Ann Bradshaw was Frank Williams P.A. and Nigel was a Special Constable on the Isle Of Mann.
After the race, Ann who had obviously told Nigel I was a serving Police Offficer, entered the pit, and I was introduced to him, he shook my hand, which was akin to putting your hand in a vice. One of the stewards came over and asked Nigel to go to the podium, he told the official, basicaly to go away, and he would go when he was ready. He left, and came down into the pit again, and he handed me his 2nd place hat,and told Ann to write a letter of authenticity, which duly arrived together with a signed photo of him. That man was, and will always be my hero, he gave me the inspiration to carry on my own private fight.As regards D.H. and Mansel, SPOT THE DIFFERENCE.
And yes, drivers used to visit each oth er even from different pits and teams.
However, they wouldn’t be allowed to these days, it’s all so very much high tech, and money.
Nigels son also races in the States, and is one of the reasons he sold his hotel/golf coarse for.;)
Lincoln. 7
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Well, Lightning. My son purchased the book, “Zero to Hero, 2nd edition 1995″for my Fathers day present.
you will know this book, being a D. Hill fan. Without going into all the details, suffice it to say Sir Frank Williams sent me 5 V.I.P. passes to gain entry into the pits prior to the 1995 G.P at Silverston. I took my Cancer surgeon friend, My Doctor, two very well educated friends who just happened to be Millionairs in their own rights, and my son.I thought it would be a good idea to take the book with me. Upon arrival, we had a cuppa, then went into the Williams pit. Shortly afterwards. D.H. walked into the pit and sat on a workbench, swinging his legs, I said to him, “Damon, would you mind signing your book for me?.” No I bloodywell do. if I sign that I’ll have to sign everything else anyone has???. With that, my friends and I walked next door into the Ferrari pit, and saw Michael Schumacher, sat at a table with various computors on it.We stood some 7 to 10 feet away, and Michael came over to my group and said, “Can I help you with anything?. to which I relayed the D.H. story, Schumacher said, “Do you want me to sign it?. silly question to ask, but I said “Yes please,” He opened the book, and on the page which clearly stated the title, wrote his signature, well up the top of the page. We then went for lunch, and went back into the Williams pit, where D.H. was again on the bench. Much to my embarrasment, one of my Millionair friends said to D.H. “You can stick your signature where the sun don’t shine, taking the book out of my hand, he said, “He, meaning me, has Scumachers signature in YOUR book. Well, you could have heard a pin drop, then suddenly he jumped off the bench and shouted VERY loudly, “Someone get me a pen” a mechanic handed him a pen, but the proverbial hit the fan, when he realised he couldn’t put his signature above Scumachers, as there was not enough room, suffice it to say, he threw all his toys out of his pram, and stalked off in a right mood. I must say thus, I, nor my friends were very impressed by D.H. I can only speak as I find, and I have the book, signatures, and witnesses to prove it.
I rest my case!!;)

Lincoln. 7

Hello there. WOW I’m really surprised he was like that, hard to imagine that it was the same guy I chatted to, bad for you that it ruined your day as well as your friends and family.

When I met him in 94 & asked for his steering wheel-not a hopes hell chance of getting it, of course-I even asked him, ckeekily, for his racing helmet, he just said; ‘Well, I could, its mine…Kind of….But they cost A LOT of money and come in short supply and F1 teams are terribly stingy with their cash these days, so sorry I can’t….besides theres a few fat cats around & if they caught me, well…Lets say I need to get along with them & stay in their good books’. had a right laugh about it. happy days for me I’m glad to say.

And….I’m surprised that Micheal was in the Ferrari garage when he signed your book, especially when he drove for Benetton that year.

Some of you might know this already, Damon Hill’s son, Joshua is currently racing in Formula Ford at the moment, he’s doing quite well, if I’m not mistaken this is his second year in Formula Ford and has won his first race, he’s 6th in the championship so for I believe. Hope he can make it to F1.

Hows about this. Scrap F1 as we know it. Build each circuit used throughout the race season, lay down on each track a 24 lane of Scalextric, each car fitted with a camera and trans mitter to send info to each team and driver. No radios needed, no team orders needed, no carbon footprint, etc, etc,;)

Lincoln.7
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this thread clearly looks like anti-Ferrari bashing board.

Easy then…just let all teams ignore all rules and let the fun ensue 🙂 …simples
How would you feel if (say) you had made a bet on Massa winning 😉

Perfectly reasonable team behaviour IMHO

There an old saying, “Rules are made for the guidance of wise men, and the obediance of fools”
😮
Lincoln. 7

God Lord, calm down people. Ferrari didn’t do the nice thing and taking away the points they earned in the last race would be a kind of fair punishment for them… Banning them would be the most stupid idea one could do… Like it or not, Ferrari is the most known team of F1 circus throughout the World and banning them would create such a counter effect…

A young McLaren driver named Lewis made several “adventures” during this season that were not properly punished and I don’t hear you complaining about that… or you forgot what he has done…

EELightning said it nicely, if you want to punish Ferrari, you would have to punish all of them, as Ferrari are not the only sinners on the fast track…

All I wanted to say is, that talking like this, and taking this situation into account (as the other one with Schumacher and Barrichello 8 years ago) is not fair thinking and this thread clearly looks like anti-Ferrari bashing board.

two drivers can’t win the same championship so this is why this happens, its a sad fact but its true, its all about winning…

…they are incredibly selfish and are there for themselves first, team second.

Ayrton Senna and Prost at Suzuka 1990, there was no way Prost was ever going to finish that race.

But yeah, I agree banning Ferrari is far too harsh a punishment for the crime they’ve commited, but facts are facts and Ferrari have broken a rule and have been allowed to get away with it. $100,000 is pocket change to them, they should either have been DSQ from the race or the rule banning team orders should be scrapped.

Personally I agree with the rule, as a spectator I don’t like the idea of a race being decided off track and want to see fierce battles between some of the best 24 drivers on Earth. There’s also the fact that if Alonso was really that much faster than Massa, why didn’t he overtake him? Why did he only finish 4 seconds ahead of Massa after almost 20 laps of being ahead? Alonso is also the highest paid driver in F1, he should be able to overtake someone without needing to do it via the team radio.

Also wasn’t it only a month ago in Valencia he was having a right go at the stewards for ‘manipulating’ the results? And he can seriously smile on the podium at Hockenheim?

Well, Lightning. My son purchased the book, “Zero to Hero, 2nd edition 1995″for my Fathers day present.
you will know this book, being a D. Hill fan. Without going into all the details, suffice it to say Sir Frank Williams sent me 5 V.I.P. passes to gain entry into the pits prior to the 1995 G.P at Silverston. I took my Cancer surgeon friend, My Doctor, two very well educated friends who just happened to be Millionairs in their own rights, and my son.I thought it would be a good idea to take the book with me. Upon arrival, we had a cuppa, then went into the Williams pit. Shortly afterwards. D.H. walked into the pit and sat on a workbench, swinging his legs, I said to him, “Damon, would you mind signing your book for me?.” No I bloodywell do. if I sign that I’ll have to sign everything else anyone has???. With that, my friends and I walked next door into the Ferrari pit, and saw Michael Schumacher, sat at a table with various computors on it.We stood some 7 to 10 feet away, and Michael came over to my group and said, “Can I help you with anything?. to which I relayed the D.H. story, Schumacher said, “Do you want me to sign it?. silly question to ask, but I said “Yes please,” He opened the book, and on the page which clearly stated the title, wrote his signature, well up the top of the page. We then went for lunch, and went back into the Williams pit, where D.H. was again on the bench. Much to my embarrasment, one of my Millionair friends said to D.H. “You can stick your signature where the sun don’t shine, taking the book out of my hand, he said, “He, meaning me, has Scumachers signature in YOUR book. Well, you could have heard a pin drop, then suddenly he jumped off the bench and shouted VERY loudly, “Someone get me a pen” a mechanic handed him a pen, but the proverbial hit the fan, when he realised he couldn’t put his signature above Scumachers, as there was not enough room, suffice it to say, he threw all his toys out of his pram, and stalked off in a right mood. I must say thus, I, nor my friends were very impressed by D.H. I can only speak as I find, and I have the book, signatures, and witnesses to prove it.
I rest my case!!;)

Lincoln. 7