BA's 757… help?

as said earlier i think BA had to cash in on the a/c due to the high number of cycles the a/c were having more than anything else – for example

0600-0700 LHR-GLA
0800-0900 GLA-LHR
1000-1045 LHR-MAN
1130-1215 MAN-LHR
1330-1430 LHR-AMS
1540-1640 AMS-LHR
1800-1900 LHR-EDI
2000-2100 EDI-LHR

Just for a roughg example if an a/c did this type of 8 sector flight a day – the schedule may not be realistic but for arguements sake, the a/c will have an 8 sector day – a high number of cycles

say it only flies for example 6 sectors a day
6 x 6 (we’ll discount a quieter sat) = 36
36×50 (2 weeks offline maintenance) = 1800 cycles p/a
1800 x 20 (no of years the early a/c will have been in serv) = 36,000 cycles

If the a/c are only really fliying night mail runs they may only fly 4 sectors e.g. Keflavic-East Mids-Cologne-Keflavic – approx 5 hours flight time a day

Does that seem a reasonable explanation of why the likes of DHL on UPS are taking them?

Interesting to see in another post on this forum that the 767-300 will soon operate the 3 times weekly service to Baghdad once the war is over.

I’d love to hop on board a flight and take a look at Iraq.

BA have a 767 based at Manchester operating the daily JFK route and it has been there for quite a few years. I think it replaced the Tristar or DC-10 on the route in the 90’s. As far as I know there is no plans to replace it other than in fleet rotation. The only other aircraft would be the 777 or 744 and these would have over-capacity.

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Any other thoughts – come back.

BA’s 767 fleet is split into 2: Long Haul and Short Haul, and the long haul ones have the 1st cabins, flat beds etc. and I presume PTV’s.

The 767 seems to fly rather odd routes with British Airways. Not only does it fly to European destinations such as Germany but it also flys transatlantic, too. With it having this capability, it’s a shame to put it to waste – their 767s are not kitted out with in-flight PTVs and other facilities (correct me if I’m wrong). I think the fact that BA has kept it’s 767s to short haul flights is a sign that it too could be soon to go with the 777 and the 747 taking the long haul.

From what I have heard (From a BA 757/767 captain) there are no immediate plans to dispose of the 757/767 family.
In fact one of BA’s 767’s was recently brought out of storage to cope with demand. The 767’s are crucial for BA’s secondary long haul services, where it becomes uneconomic to operate a 777, and as the 757 has an identical cockpit to the 767 they are keeping some 757’s for the same length of time as the 767’s.
The older 757’s were retired to make way for the new A321’s, scheduled for delivery in early 2004.

The 320 and 321 are quite long range but nowhere near as long as the 757. We can take 235 passengers plus baggage from LGW to Banjul (in the Gambia) and still tanker a further 6 or 7 tonnes of fuel!

BA’s 757s are mostly not very desireable as they are frequently old, high number of flight cycles, low modification status and scheduled interiors. They still have several with the less desirable C2 engine RB211. As a result they are attractive to the freight companys.

None of the TCX/JMC 757s are formerly Caledonian. The Cally 757s were BA aircraft flown by BA pilots on secondment.

SkyCruiser – how many hours does it take you to finally reach FL410?!?

regards
wys

theplane – Fair enough, but most of these are used on the peak flights such as:
Swiss A330 – LHR-ZRH
LH A300 – LHR-FRA
KLM – LHR-AMS

BA used to use 757 and 767’s for pretty much all their European flights from LHR, I remember my parents flying to Nice on a half empty 767, Air France (if they fly the route) probably use an A320 or 737.

dan, im not too sure about this…some european airlines use both big and small planes
some examples are:
SWISS- MD11, A330, A32X, MD83
KLM- B767, B737
LH- A300-600, B73X
and others
maybe its just that they’re getting old?

Interesting that I’ve seen this. I was just transferring my sightings into the new 2003 book when I noticed just how many 757’s had gone.
Shame to see them go, I always liked the 757.

I think the decision of them to go came about shortly after Rod Eddington arrived. BA were using 757 and 767’s on their European flights and they were probably too big. When you look at the other major European carriers like LH and AF they all use A319 / 20 / 21 or 737’s and so it seems BA has followed them.

The 757 has a better range than the A319 and A320. However both those aircraft have legs also, and I think they actually fly the A320 on some pretty long routes, like LON to THR.

However for the majority of flights BA would need, the range is not particularly the limiting factor.

The rationale, as far as I can guess, seems to be:

1. The 757’s are ageing and the was a good chance to sell them on rather than scrap them.

2. They may eventually retire the 737 fleet also. That would mean a big fleet simplification – A320 family, 744 and 772. Much better than at present. As you may know, the 763 fleet is on the way out as well.

3. They decided to reduce their reliance on connecting passengers, so concluded they didn’t actually need so many seats as the 757 had.

G-BMRJ as she is today… What do you prefer ?

Shame there couldn’t have been more in these great colours… G-BMRJ

Wys, do you know if JMC inherited any 757’s from Caledonian during the merger with Flying Colours or did they all go back into BA service and livery ? I think the latter but not sure.

I also think the 757 looks great in BA colours whatever the scheme may have been. As I recall they were bought originally as a direct replacement for the Tridents and to be used on the various domestic shuttle routes.

I always wanted to go on a BA 757, but despite using the Heathrow Birmingham and Gatwick shuttle’s fairly regularly, I always seem to end up on a 737 or Airbus.

In fact the only 757’s I’ve been on have been JMC holiday flights.

This one is for wysiwyg,

Hey wys, nice looking light twins those 757s. Ha Ha…….

Bloody Airbus… thats all you see in the skies now! Not that, thats a problem I love airbus… But my fave Boeing is the 757!

5th October 1999 Press Release

The following was released by British Airways 3 and a half years ago. So this answers the question and pretty much sums up what has been said already.

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British Airways is arranging for the disposal of 34 of its 53 Boeing 757s to a subsidiary of the aircraft manufacturer.

The 757s, which typically seat 180 passengers, are expected to be converted by Boeing into freighters for express parcel carrier DHL.

Smaller aircraft will replace the 757s with some of the capacity being transferred to 100 seat jets. Negotiations are still underway for these new jets, with an announcement due shortly.

This marks an important step in the British Airways fleet strategy, first announced in August 1998, to modernise the carrier’s fleet, increase yields and reduce capacity.

The new fleet and network strategy will allow BA to emerge from current difficult market conditions with lower costs and a young fleet focused on the most profitable sections of the market.

The disposal of these aircraft to the cargo sector will also reduce overall industry passenger capacity.

Deliveries of Boeing 757s to Boeing will begin in July 2000 and continue until March 2003. All British Airways’ remaining Boeing 757s have modern Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4 engines.

Still the 757 is slightly bigger than the 321. It seems weird though, I mean BA have only had a few of these 757’s for a few years, with the exception of the BIK’s registers. But as far as I know the two that have gone to Air 200 weren’t that old???

When you think about it, the entire DHL 757 fleet is made up of BA 757’s!

Aslo on my trips up to LHR, you can always bet that where the old BEA Trident sits, there will be at least 2 or 3 BA 757’s next to it… there always there!?!

Dependent upon what time of engine is used by the aircraft, ranges vary, but the A320 and 757 are very similiar to one another.

That’s not such a great replacement if that is the case – the A319 seating 124 I think it is and the A320 seating up to 150. If this change is taking place because Airbus are more economical than Boeing, perhaps something new, like the A321 should be considered, then it’s not too greater change – the A321 and 757 could be twins they’re so similiar.