Battle of Britain 601 Squadron "Log Book"

I have been told by a poster on another forum that I am “…way off track” with this and it is not fraud unless it is sold as a Log Book to a specific pilot.

Erm….it is! Flt Lt E Campbell. Not only that, this pilot did not exist and neither did the operational flights that are detailed. I have only detailed four pages of the utter rubbish this log book contains.

Not fraud?

Well, it is a fake. Isn’t that fraud?

You would think that the forger would at least use a real pilot as a subject and i would think anyone who is going to fork out money for such a thing would check if such a pilot existed before buying. The B of B role is easy to access, its all over the net.

Damn thing looks good to me.

I’d be really pissed if I had bought that and found out it was a fake.

Someone has taken a blank log book worth about £30 and defaced it with rubbish and now it’s worth a fiver.:rolleyes:

It needs to be taken back, money recovered and burnt on the doorstep.

trumper.

I think it’s like Andy says, Flt Lt E Campbell does not, as far as I can see, appear as a pilot who flew an operational patrol during the Battle of Britain. 601 Squadron in July of 1940 were stationed at Matlaske in Norfolk.

Surely the safest option is not to collect such items. If Flt Lt E Campbell never existed, how can the production of a logbook stating that he did ever be anything but a fake?

I think it behoves anyone wishing to buy such items to know their history or to do a lot of detailed research and consult experts in the field before any money changer hands.

Regards,

kev35

🙂 How can you protect yourself ,what are the giveaway signs?.Personally i wouldn’t have a clue what was wrong with these books:confused: looks ok to the very untrained eye.

I have been told by a poster on another forum that I am “…way off track” with this.

You will find the discussion here:

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=105008;article=21189;title=The%20Battle%20of%20Britain%20Historical%20Society%20Discussion%20Forum

Erm….anyway….it is sold as a log book to a specific pilot! Flt Lt E Campbell. Not only that, this pilot did not exist and neither did the operational flights that are detailed. I have only detailed four pages of the utter rubbish this log book contains.

Not fraud?

Well, it is a fake. Isn’t that fraud? To my mind, the perpetrator set out to deliberately produce a forgery and one can only conclude, surely, that this was with the intent to deceive and therby defraud. I am sure he did not do it in the privacy of his own home, for his own use and enjoyment, and with no intent to pass this off in the market place.

No, this turned up at an antique fair. It was bought, on the spot, and on-spec, by a punter who now has no idea who the vendor is/was.

Items that are sold on the internet are not always straighforward in terms of getting a refund. I know of cases where a fake has been purchased, the buyer returns it to the seller…..who then says that he sold an original and that a fake/copy has been returned to him. He then refuses to return the money….or, presumably, the fake goods either! He probably re-sells them to another unsuspecting person.

As ever, caveat emptor!

I assume that these are being sold privately?
I hadn’t seen any up for sale recently.
Surely the purchaser can return to the source and demand their money back.
A very unsavoury affair indeed -I vote that the perpertrators are exposed and shamed.
I wonder how many other items are out there, presumed by their owners to be genuine. It will soon get to the point where discussions on forums such as this will result in arguments between two members, one armed with the facts and the other armed with what’s been produced years after the event and sold on as a genuine relic.
Gerry

Have you any Douglas Stanford-Tuck’s or Adolf Bader reports? They might do the trick. I am after one for the 32nd August 1940.

Seriously, this is now the fifth “Log Book” I know about. This one went for many hundreds of pounds. So far, now, I know of nine fake Guy Gibson signatures as well.

Hi Andy,
Looks great – would you consider a swap for a Frantisek combat report?
Gerry