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Battle Of Britain Dornier Part

Hi all,

I was recently given these two parts which were collected at the time from the crash site of Dornier DO17Z-2 Work Number 3358 which crashed at Cole End Wimbish on 26th August 1940. I would like to know if anyone can identify what part of the a/c that the door would have come from? Size is approx 8 inches x 4 inches. Hope you can help. Thanks.
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/armyspecial/Do17001.jpg

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By: Blue_2 - 17th January 2011 at 19:36

I suspect not, as RLM colour shades are pre-digital. However it may help with analogue signals… 😉

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By: Flying_Pencil - 17th January 2011 at 19:34

Page 5 already?
that is unacceptable! Still have not answered my question!

…have to make up a new question to ask! 😉

Cheers!

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By: Flying_Pencil - 13th January 2011 at 15:04

It all depends if its RLM 26 or RLM 23. Different fade factors.

Does that mean if I get some fresh RLM26 paint on my antenna my Digital TV will work better??

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By: Blue_2 - 13th January 2011 at 10:29

It’s your own fault LW206; you asked for it! 😀

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By: LW206 - 13th January 2011 at 10:26

I know i wanted this post to carry on but you two are really scraping the barrell 😀

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By: Blue_2 - 13th January 2011 at 10:12

I never considered that.

…so would T-cut be of any help in restoring signal?!

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By: Arabella-Cox - 13th January 2011 at 10:05

It all depends if its RLM 26 or RLM 23. Different fade factors.

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By: Blue_2 - 13th January 2011 at 10:03

Depends on the RLM colour the DF loop is painted.

…so, as the paint on the DF loop fades, does said loop become more ineffective?!

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By: FarlamAirframes - 12th January 2011 at 17:53

Apologies – I am on business in France and cant stick my oar in on the colour and its fading…..

Just wanted to up the reply counter for LW…..

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th January 2011 at 14:40

Depends on the RLM colour the DF loop is painted.

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By: Flying_Pencil - 12th January 2011 at 14:08

Whats really interesting, though, is the unusual placement of a second DF aerial just above the hand start apperture. And its painted bright red, too.

Nonono, that’s not right.
They mount it in the cowling front. That big round ring is perfect, and when they are pointing the airplane directly at the source, the signal is the loudest, so they know they are going the right way.

…Or is the signal behind them? 😛

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By: Flying_Pencil - 12th January 2011 at 14:04

Looks like quite a good dent in the front part of the cowling too… Hang on, is that replacement bit of cowling in the correct RLM shade of natural metal?! :diablo:

You are RIGHT!!
That bare metal is the wrong shade of RLM!!!
Did the LW run out of carbuna wax?

I did consider the new cowling possibility but discounted is as there appears to be some overspray of the same colour on the intake where it overlaps the trailing edge of the cowling.

But I’d hate to get into another colour debate…..!!!

Oh, and the bullet holed prop tip and Bramo Fafnir badge ARE Do17-Z with a Battle of Britain provenance. It is mounted on a perspex base made from the cockipt glazings.

Idontknow…
Haven’t found a photo to prove that configuration of parts….
Those holes meant to act like fixed slats for high power demands?

😉

Keep in going lads…..just 3,152 replies to go and we have caught up with the “Wot Plane” Thread 😀

Easy, by next week!

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By: Blue_2 - 12th January 2011 at 11:02

Really? I never saw it. Wish they’d make these things more obvious…

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th January 2011 at 10:49

Looks like quite a good dent in the front part of the cowling too… Hang on, is that replacement bit of cowling in the correct RLM shade of natural metal?! :diablo:

Whats really interesting, though, is the unusual placement of a second DF aerial just above the hand start apperture. And its painted bright red, too.

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By: Thorgil - 12th January 2011 at 10:42

Thought i throw my 2p worth in on colour…..try getting a good match on a five year old car even with the manufacturers paint.
In the case of the panel in question it will have been exposed to extremes of temparature change, airflow, uv light, oxidation, soot and oil therefore it has no chance of being an exact match to the original, factory fresh paint.
Any aircraft that has been re-sprayed or touched up in the field will have had the paint mixed by eye to a “thats close enough spec” by some Erc, who if he’s as good with colours as I am, could be totally colour dislexic.
Bloody nice panel, should be hanging on the wall with aircraft history in pride of place.
Alan.

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By: LW206 - 12th January 2011 at 08:48

Keep in going lads…..just 3,152 replies to go and we have caught up with the “Wot Plane” Thread 😀

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By: Blue_2 - 12th January 2011 at 08:42

Looks like quite a good dent in the front part of the cowling too… Hang on, is that replacement bit of cowling in the correct RLM shade of natural metal?! :diablo:

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th January 2011 at 07:50

I did consider the new cowling possibility but discounted is as there appears to be some overspray of the same colour on the intake where it overlaps the trailing edge of the cowling.

But I’d hate to get into another colour debate…..!!!

Oh, and the bullet holed prop tip and Bramo Fafnir badge ARE Do17-Z with a Battle of Britain provenance. It is mounted on a perspex base made from the cockipt glazings.

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By: Flying_Pencil - 11th January 2011 at 23:22

I hate to bring up the question of colours again, but this is a serious query. Honestly!

On the photo of the Dornier it seems the entire wrap-around cowlings are a different colour which is not something I have ever noticed before on any operational Do 17 Zs? The spinner backplate also looks to be possibly the same colour, too.

For Peter Evans – do you know the background to this image? Is it a training unit or some specialist unit, perhaps? It looks as if the cowlings could be yellow but I don’t know.

Andy,

That is a bare metal replacement cowling.
(You know about bare metal, right? 😉 )
That cowling is a wrap around, in 3 pieces, the top 2 are hinged along the top (open like beetle wings) while the bottom is drop down removed.

The white ring behind the spinner is different, I do not know what it is, but I think I saw it before, not sure.

As to different colors, I have seen a WHITE painted cowling on a desert camo 17z. I will try and find it.

I also think it is a training unit, noting lack of guns, disinterested staff, and unpainted cowling. 🙂

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By: Flying_Pencil - 11th January 2011 at 23:02

Thanks Peter,

Does the original post have the photo without the red ring around the hatch?

I want one without so i can print it off for display.

Flying Pencil…..SURELY you are happy now??? :rolleyes:

LW, I already believe it, and said so.
That picture which I mentioned before Peter posted proves that the placard was also mounted along a different axis

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