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BBMF Lancaster is it starting to show its age?

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The BBMF Lanc this year has had a few technical troubles, one engine change, a problem at Coningsby a few weeks ago that i dont know the nature of, and at Fairford on Monday it had a problem with the brakes. Again i dont know the full nature of that problem but they were saying on the radio that they would have to shut down, however 20 or 30 minutes later it left for Coningsby either with the problem sorted out or they decided to go anyway with the problem.

Is the Lanc starting to show its age or is this a rather difficult year for the BBMF with reliability issues? I mean is it the norm for them to have so many technical problems?

They seem to my untrained eyes that they keep everything in tiptop condition and very rarely have any problems at all.

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By: Stormin' - 24th July 2009 at 14:47

And has it always been there? Like I said before, it’s the first time I’ve noticed it!

Yes, its a bung. Taken out each winter as part of our servicing. Nowt to do with poppy drops.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 24th July 2009 at 13:17

And has it always been there? Like I said before, it’s the first time I’ve noticed it!

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By: Lindy's Lad - 24th July 2009 at 13:01

Its the mount for the dorsal turret and H2S.

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By: wes - 24th July 2009 at 11:52

Maybe used for the Poppy Drop when in Remembrance mode ?

…dont think so, IIRC they use the bomb bays lined with wire mesh.
I’d be suprised if they did such a big change to the airframe, even for the poppy drops…..

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By: Arabella-Cox - 24th July 2009 at 10:20

Maybe used for the Poppy Drop when in Remembrance mode ?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 24th July 2009 at 10:13

What’s this on the belly? ( see attached ) Blanking plate over radome location? In 40 years of seeing the Lanc, it’s the first time I’ve noticed it.

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By: Fouga23 - 24th July 2009 at 07:04

Yes, you can see the part on the photo (which is indeed superb) if you look closely, none of the aforementioned items though.
It’s our own little contribution to PA474, and we always make sure it’s kept clear when we are around her……… not glass/perspex……………

There’s a jet engine inside?:eek::p

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By: Arabella-Cox - 24th July 2009 at 06:37

Yes, you can see the part on the photo (which is indeed superb) if you look closely, none of the aforementioned items though.
It’s our own little contribution to PA474, and we always make sure it’s kept clear when we are around her……… not glass/perspex……………

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By: keithnewsome - 23rd July 2009 at 22:45

She has an easy to recognise (external) part that was actually taken off one of our JP’s, anyone with inside information know what it is?

Paul
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Oh come on Paul, give us a clue ? does this part show on my earlier photo ?

John Cooper. Thank you for your nice comment on my photo, that is her landing at Norwich following her display at Lowestoft.

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By: Lindy's Lad - 23rd July 2009 at 22:27

She has an easy to recognise (external) part that was actually taken off one of our JP’s, anyone with inside information know what it is?

Paul
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My guess would be the rotating beacon…..

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By: Arabella-Cox - 23rd July 2009 at 20:43

Keith N

That is a cracking photo, I was there today too, regarding the question her showing her age she looked and sounded perfect and whilst the Fighter Duo were ‘strutting ther stuff’ the Lanc was flying over a builtup area [Lowestoft/Oulton Broad] and not the sea, so someone has confidence in her airworthyness.

She is a little younger than me and better looking! :p

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By: Manonthefence - 23rd July 2009 at 20:22

She has an easy to recognise (external) part that was actually taken off one of our JP’s, anyone with inside information know what it is?

Paul
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Aerial?

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By: Manonthefence - 23rd July 2009 at 20:20

Cheers but it doesn’t take me 30mins to get off the Lanc!!
Yes PS915 had a brake problem but I was already off the Lanc, and as it was then confirmed that PS had a big air leak so 2 of us stayed behind as the Spit pilot jumped on the Lanc and they went home. I later confirmed it was a brake bag change, which after a drive back to Coningsby to fetch spares we finished yesterday afternoon. PS is now OK and will return to home tomorrow via Cottesmore.
Stormin’

Ah sorry mate, I heard your name mentioned on the radio (something about listening to the brakes) then I saw a (ahem) not entirely athletic looking chap get out of the Lanc. I put two and two together.
I Didnt realise you were already on the case. I presume it was your batman with your Smoking Jacket just in case you made the survivors dinner 😀

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By: Arabella-Cox - 23rd July 2009 at 19:19

A thing of beauty and makes you proud to be british.

Enough said i think.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 23rd July 2009 at 19:17

She has an easy to recognise (external) part that was actually taken off one of our JP’s, anyone with inside information know what it is?

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By: Lindy's Lad - 23rd July 2009 at 18:48

We had her stripped back to bare metal and split in half at Coventry – certainly better than the majority of airliners I’ve seen. We removed some minor surface corrosion at the back of the bomb doors where there had been a steel exhaust plate fitted during its test days. Aside from that, almost everything has been NDT’d in the last few years. New undercarriage legs (overhauled), engine mounts and subframes stripped and NDT’d.

I would say that with the exception of a few minor fixtures and fittings, PA474 is positively immaculate. I would GUESS that the unservicability issues this year are no worse than what has befel Sally B or any other warbird over time. Mechanical items do go wrong and sometimes what seems to be the logical ‘fix’ at the time does not cure any underlying problems. Its had a bad year. Unlucky.

I challenge you to find a boeing 737-200 (half the Lancs age) in as good condition….

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By: keithnewsome - 23rd July 2009 at 18:06

Well she looked and sounded fine 3 hours ago as she returned to Norwich from Lowestoft airshow, she has less wrinkles than me ! although she is possibly younger ??

Keith.

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By: Stormin' - 23rd July 2009 at 17:47

It didnt have a problem with brakes at Fairford on Monday, the PR Spitfire did. Stormin was on the Lanc and they had to get him off to tend to the Spit, hence the delay.

Cheers but it doesn’t take me 30mins to get off the Lanc!!
Yes PS915 had a brake problem but I was already off the Lanc, and as it was then confirmed that PS had a big air leak so 2 of us stayed behind as the Spit pilot jumped on the Lanc and they went home. I later confirmed it was a brake bag change, which after a drive back to Coningsby to fetch spares we finished yesterday afternoon. PS is now OK and will return to home tomorrow via Cottesmore.
Stormin’

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By: Quid 41 - 23rd July 2009 at 11:25

🙂 thanks for the clarification Manonthefence

Lancman no insult was intended….hope shes out to get me now, i could get some awsome pics:D

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By: Bluebird Mike - 23rd July 2009 at 08:43

‘Showing it’s age’ indeed! That’s almost insulting!

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