BBMF spit loses "Something" yesterday.. Pilot ok.

Methinks you’ve kinda mis-read my last post there, Mark V…

I did indeed – but lets leave it there as a shameless plug for the Haynes Lancaster book!

The only mod BBMF has carried out is to replace all the double glazed perspex units ie windscreen, canopy and rear glazing with single skin units this was done many years ago probably because at that time nobody was prepared to manufacture the original units given that the a/c are no longer pressurised. The canopy however, originally was never fitted with leading edge metalwork. So the canopy is not highly modified it is just single skin rather than double skin all the dimensions are the same, they still use the original rails and locking mechanism.

The canopy on this type is very different from the normal fighter aircraftas originaly the cockpit was pressurised for high altitude PR flights, this canopy has NO framework & has a very different method of retaining the canopy to the airframe, there is, however, a metal runner mounted to the lower edge of the glazing which runs on a series of rollers & the canopy is held onto the airframe with a type of ‘clam shell’ clamping system which has a locking device just behind the pilot seat mounting frame.
Hope this helps:)

The only mod BBMF has carried out is to replace all the double glazed perspex units ie windscreen, canopy and rear glazing with single skin units this was done many years ago probably because at that time nobody was prepared to manufacture the original units given that the a/c are no longer pressurised. The canopy however, originally was never fitted with leading edge metalwork. So the canopy is not highly modified it is just single skin rather than double skin all the dimensions are the same, they still use the original rails and locking mechanism.

You got there before me Fuffy old mate –

How about instead of off topic, raise a new topic. This subject has nowt to do with BBMF.

ooh your a short tempered devil stormin, less postin and more de-rivetting. If you have any problems give maggie a shout, im sure she’ll point you in the right direction.:diablo:

Why waste taxpayers money with an irrelevant (to the public) public report when that effort is better spent keeping these beautiful aircraft in the air?

Because news about the planes we love are precious to us.

A short news mention on a website hardly waste taxpayers money IMO. :p

The BBMF Mk XIX canopies are highly modified, are they not?

The original framed double glazed units being replaced with an ultra thick, by Spitfire standards, perspex with no leading edge metal work.

Mark

The only mod BBMF has carried out is to replace all the double glazed perspex units ie windscreen, canopy and rear glazing with single skin units this was done many years ago probably because at that time nobody was prepared to manufacture the original units given that the a/c are no longer pressurised. The canopy however, originally was never fitted with leading edge metalwork. So the canopy is not highly modified it is just single skin rather than double skin all the dimensions are the same, they still use the original rails and locking mechanism.

snip………
If this has happened once, then an investigation and report into the incident is the least I would expect (and I’m sure will happen), to establish the cause, and any mitigation actions that could be put into place.

These aircraft regularly fly in formation together, and display near crowds – if this were to happen in one of these instances the outcome could be different.

Like all I am extremely glad that this incident passed without too much damage, but I’m sure we all would agree safety is number 1, so if we have a chance to learn anything from these events which could stop repeats again the future I think it is a must.

I can assure you that the RAF/MoD has a well oiled way of dealing with these incidents and is well versed to the culture of hazard analysis and risk mitigation following incidents as well as lessons learned…just cos it is not public does not mean it does not happen.
Given that, and the fact we have a baying (sp?!) press that are dying to label old aircraft in incorrect and stupid ways, making every mishap, engine snag, a public inquiry is dumb….just my opinion…no offence meant

Lets just let the guys work the procedures and plane?!

The BBMF Mk XIX canopies are highly modified, are they not?

The original framed double glazed units being replaced with an ultra thick, by Spitfire standards, perspex with no leading edge metal work.

Mark

While I agree reducing unecessary red tape for the sake of it can be a good thing, my opinion in this case it is a bit more than a slight mishap.

If this has happened once, then an investigation and report into the incident is the least I would expect (and I’m sure will happen), to establish the cause, and any mitigation actions that could be put into place.

These aircraft regularly fly in formation together, and display near crowds – if this were to happen in one of these instances the outcome could be different.

Like all I am extremely glad that this incident passed without too much damage, but I’m sure we all would agree safety is number 1, so if we have a chance to learn anything from these events which could stop repeats again the future I think it is a must.

Judging by the questions posted and the seeming lack of any official statement (what harm could it do?…It’s not like admitting that a Spitfire had a slight mishap would effect national security)….Has anyone asked the RAF or BBMF what happened?

Since the BBMF and the aircraft are both RAF…shouldn’t there be an official report out at some point?
(Granted, not a major mishap investigation, but something).

Why?! Not wishing to belittle the event too much this is just a minor part of the life of an active aircraft, yep a few interesting moments but I’ll wager the pilot has had worse things to contend with in his flying career. Why waste taxpayers money with an irrelevant (to the public) public report when that effort is better spent keeping these beautiful aircraft in the air?

These types of events are common place in service fleets….dont need a silly precedent do we?!

I think this subject has run its course….slight mishap, aircraft damaged slightly, pilot and aircraft ok…will be fixed…nuff said!

Methinks you’ve kinda mis-read my last post there, Mark V…

Tease!

I wonder if it’s the one I’m thinking of…

Probably…. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lancaster-Manual-Restoring-Servicing-Legendary/dp/1844254631/ref=wl_itt_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=I16SJL6IJW0406&colid=1XQVHXZQTKBX0

Not Hurricane but another a/c I spent quite a few years working on 😀 this is due to be published Sept 09

Tease!

I wonder if it’s the one I’m thinking of…

6 😀

Congrats on what clearly is going to be a great series of books, anyway- very much appreciated.

Judging by the questions posted and the seeming lack of any official statement (what harm could it do?…It’s not like admitting that a Spitfire had a slight mishap would effect national security)….Has anyone asked the RAF or BBMF what happened?

Since the BBMF and the aircraft are both RAF…shouldn’t there be an official report out at some point?
(Granted, not a major mishap investigation, but something).

Surely my earlier post tells you all you need to know

Which raises the off-topic question.

Was there ever any plan / attempt to mate the Griffon to the P51 airframe?

Moggy

How about instead of off topic, raise a new topic. This subject has nowt to do with BBMF.

(Any plans for the Hurricane to get the same treatment?)

Not Hurricane but another a/c I spent quite a few years working on 😀 this is due to be published Sept 09

Judging by the questions posted and the seeming lack of any official statement (what harm could it do?…It’s not like admitting that a Spitfire had a slight mishap would effect national security)….Has anyone asked the RAF or BBMF what happened?

Since the BBMF and the aircraft are both RAF…shouldn’t there be an official report out at some point?
(Granted, not a major mishap investigation, but something).

Which raises the off-topic question.

Was there ever any plan / attempt to mate the Griffon to the P51 airframe?

(First time round or air racing)

This one had a Griffon 58.

http://www.lonnieortegaaviationart.com/rbarbunairra.html

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/steve-hinton-on-flying-the-red-baron-rb-51-unlimited-racer/4005955227

Although some parts for the floor (including the driveshaft mounting) were made. The RR historical society published a book about this very interesting project. I have a copy somewhere, but where…….:confused:

Cheers

Cees

Rolls Royce had a Griffon (mid engine) p51 in about ’42- ’43, a very nice looking plane; albeit only in the mock up stage.