Bed & Breakfast.

Hmmmm, wonder if this is on the menu?….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225135/The-deep-fry-Chip-shop-owner-creates–1-200-calorie-battered-sandwich-English-breakfast-filling.html

Just because you are self employed doesn’t mean you can pick and choose which laws you do and don’t follow.
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I didn’t think I needed to state the obvious 🙂

Just because you are self employed doesn’t mean you can pick and choose which laws you do and don’t follow.

If you wish to be self employed and run a business, you are subject to the laws that businesses are required to follow. If you decide to run a B&B you have to follow equalities requirements just like you have to follow safety requirements and employment legislation, for example. Or should B&B owners be exempted from those requirements as well?

I’m pleased that we have moved on from a world where businesses could and did actively discriminate against people – it isn’t something I would wish to retun to.

But that’s the problem. Discrimination laws as defined under the ECHR are not objective, they are selective. We are homosexuals and want to make love in this bedroom is legal, but it is not legal for the Christian owners who are offended by that practice to object that they are being discriminated against. I write as an atheist, by the way, so am a disinterested party.

A little potted history about discrimination in my city.

http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/after-slavery/bristol-in-black-and-white/black-white-bristol/bristol-race-relations/

As someone who has been self-employed for most of his working life, I
believe the people running the B & B, should have been free to impose
whatever rules they like.

Just because you are self employed doesn’t mean you can pick and choose which laws you do and don’t follow.

If you wish to be self employed and run a business, you are subject to the laws that businesses are required to follow. If you decide to run a B&B you have to follow equalities requirements just like you have to follow safety requirements and employment legislation, for example. Or should B&B owners be exempted from those requirements as well?

I’m pleased that we have moved on from a world where businesses could and did actively discriminate against people – it isn’t something I would wish to retun to.

I agree with you and that is of course how it used to be, before we signed up to the ECHR, which now determines our laws of discrimination.

As someone who has been self-employed for most of his working life, I
believe the people running the B & B, should have been free to impose
whatever rules they like.

The aggrieved party in this case were just trying to make a political point.

In much the same way that all of a sudden, a number of high profile
footballers are feigning shock and horror, and playing the racist card.

The law is very simple. If you offer your house as a bed & breakfast, then you are not permitted to discriminate on the basis of sexuality any more than you are permitted to discriminate on grounds of race.
The argument that ‘it is their house and they can admit/not admit whoever they want’ would apply, for example, if they had reason to believe that someone would be likely to trash the place, but not on the basis of disapproving of someone’s sexual orientation.
I am a practising Christian and you can be quite sure that if I ever open a B & B, homosexual couples will be as welcome as any other guests, as would the unmarried, the single, the married and whoever else chooses to stay with me. And, provided that no laws are being broken, what they get up to in my bedrooms would be none of my business.:)

I don’t think that I made reference to, nor implied, bigotry. I’ve had enough life experience to know all about interaction between gay and straight people, good or otherwise. We’ve often had straight friends, some being couples, stay over in our spare room, and I’ve never given a second thought to what goes on in there. Too happy and content with my own relationship, to worry about what they might be getting up to.

With all due respect there is a big difference between coming into contact with a homosexual person in everyday life in a social or professional situation and inviting a couple into your home in the knowledge that they will likely be engaging in sexual activity. I think you will find that the vast majority of heterosexual people will interact happily in almost any situation with homosexual people without a thought about it. I doubt many would feel comfortable with such a physical union taking place in their spare room, this doesn’t make them a bigot.

As a gay man, I would like to thank those legislators, who have made it both lawful and possible for me to spend the last 23 years, loving and being with the partner of my choice….I am truly grateful. It could be argued that those guest house owners are entitled to refuse admission to whomever they please.

But I have to wonder wether they would be quite so choosy about the sexuality of any medical staff, who may be treating them in a medical emergency situation. I suspect that they wouldn’t. May their God ensure, that they are never put in a situation, where they might have to.

It is sad to see that what I posted in #20 applies to this forum as well…:(

“Post edited for homophobic content.“
Not homophobic at all – I was simply relating, first hand, on a particular incident…

Some of the posts on this thread are getting extremely ridiculous and just simply bizarre. Just because everyone has a keyboard does not mean all kinds of mindless dribble should be posted. Leaving it open for now but its very close to crossing over the line.

How so?We are actually addressing the nub of the argument, but I appreciate that might be to everyone’s taste. The ostrich mode is the always that of last resort.

…by a triad of abuse.

Have they stopped Asian gangsters staying there too?…:eek:

I read somewhere that the recent attempts by gay couples to stay at B&B’s, where the owners were known for their religious beliefs, have been orchestrated by gay rights groups…

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Some of the posts on this thread are getting extremely ridiculous and just simply bizarre. Just because everyone has a keyboard does not mean all kinds of mindless dribble should be posted. Leaving it open for now but its very close to crossing over the line.

Once upon a time, the Law stated, it had to be two consenting adults,Over 21 yrs of age, and in private. Then the Law was unfortunately changed.
As long as it don’t affect me or my family, they can do as they please, however, it seems that more and more is being shown on T.V. such as Eastenders, (Which in my mind should be re named as SOUTHENDERS), but there we go, that’s life. I am certainly not going to worry myself about it.Although it turns me over when I see two same sex, kissing full on, in the street.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

We live in a world where society swings violently from one “cause” to another. Decisions are rushed in reaction to the perceived public mood of the day without sensible rational debate. The media leap on the latest bandwagon and exacerbate the problem. We see it in every sphere of life. Emotion rules the day and pragmatism is dead. Sad days indeed!.

This whole thing makes me nervous. It all comes down to how much you or I or anyone values their freedom. Homosexuals have the right to live their lives as they wish but at the same time I must say that I think the B&B owners also have a right to refuse a room in their home to anyone they wish as long as it is not accompanies by a triad of abuse.

My message to the homosexual couple involved would be what gives you the right to force any other person to have to accept your lifestyle, be grateful that you live in a country where you are free to live as you wish but respect that the same freedom that affords you that right applies to everyone else as well. You can’t have it both ways.

Oh and unless you hadn’t realised the law is an ass btw. So desperate to charge in and defend the right to “equality” that it often serves little purpose other than fuelling personal greed and in the process breeds apathy and cynicism which then divides people anyway.

Truly I think we’ve reached the stage where the lunatics are running the asylum.

Yes, without any doubt whatsoever!