Beech 18 N15750; old thread, new twist!!

Hi Phil,

These little mysteries make this so much fun.
Nov71 photos of D18S N15750 A-850 at Lasham show the starboard vertical stabilizer as red with a RCAF serial on the lower half, blacked out. The port vertical stabilizer is not red. This would invalidate the theory that the RCAF fin was painted for the 1977 Hartwell movie, it was already red in 1971, and probably a fin from 3NM(T) CA-149 RCAF 1549. Although never overseas (according to its RCAF file), after CA-149’s accident (Cat A) 16Feb67 with No. 1 Advanced Flying School, Stn Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, it was SOC 12May67. The RCAF may have sent spares from it to the UK/Europe for their Expeditors there and would have no longer needed them by 1971. Restoration in 1971 was stalled by a parts shortage. Just a guess.

I’m still in the U.S., in upstate New York State, where springs, summers & falls are terrific and winters are just bearable.

Regards,
Bob P.

Article was in “Propliner” No 122 Spring 2010 page 13.

That is a short synopsis of the article. It consisted of (as I recall) about four or six pages with photos of all Beech 18s. You can buy the back issue through their website.

T J

propliner

There was an article on Stephen Quinto and Sagittair in Propliner magazine not so long ago. Full story on their Beech 18 and Argosy operations. Might be worth checking out.

T J

this one

http://www.propliner.co.uk/qreview/Review1.html

There was an article on Stephen Quinto and Sagittair in Propliner magazine not so long ago. Full story on their Beech 18 and Argosy operations. Might be worth checking out.

T J

Beech 18 N15750; old thread, new twist

I remember seeing it at Radlett in the mid sixties as G-ATUM it was blue and white

just one other thing

was CF-RLD the Martin Hartwell 3N ?

the hartwell tragedy

Bob

Hi,

The remnants of Canadian marks may well have come from the bogus marks applied for the BBC film (see history below):

A-850 D18S N2051D deliv to dealer Ohio Aviation & then to E.W. Bliss, Canton, OH 31Oct52. Reg’d & CofA to Bavaria Fluggesellschaft AG, W Germany 26May59 as D-IANA. To Handley Page Ltd, St Albans, UK arrived at Radlett 29Mar66 & reg’d 10May66 as G-ATUM. Reg canx 18Oct68. To Shackleton Aviation Ltd, London, UK BS 9Aug68 for $3,106. Deliv to Baginton for storage. Transf to US owner 18Oct68. To Aviation Enterprises Inc, Cedarburg, WI BS 12Nov68 & reg’d N15750 on same day. CofA 18Mar69 with 3,167 hrs TT. FF in US marks 28Mar69 from Badington. To Stephen Quinto/Sagittair, Cookham Dean, UK BS 3Dec69 & reg’d 23Jan70. Moved to Lasham in Jan71 for work but that was stopped in Aug71 (lack of parts). The Aeroplane Collection accepted it. US reg revoked 14Nov73. Dismantled & moved by road from Lasham to Corgath National Scenic Area, Scotland 3Feb77 by the BBC for use in filming a story of cannibalism after the crash of a Beech 3N (CF-RLD A-626) in Canada. Damage done during the dismantling made it unrestorable & it was left derelict at the site of the filming. Still there in ‘86. Compiled by Bob Parmerter.

I’m always interested in additions and corrections to the history.

Regards,
Bob Parmerter, Air-Britain Beech 18 Specialist & Historian Beech 18 Division of Beechcraft Heritage Museum, Tullahoma, TN

Hi Bob

glad to see you over here

i guess i should have sent you an email to ask about this puzzle

it is still a puzzle mind as the fin is marked internally with CA-149 which crashed in the 60’s with RCAF

so how could the 2 ever get together i wonder – a RCAF fin from CA-149 on N15750 aka CF-RLD.

cheers

Philip
www.beechrestorations.com

When I was a schoolboy I used to hang around the Miles Aviation (R&D) Ltd facility at Ford Aerodrome near Littlehampton in Sussex. During that period, N15750 arrived for some work for Sagittair its new owners. I can recall crawling all over it and finding a brown tie-on label on one of the rudder pedals with the registration D-IANA upon it. It did not stay at Ford that long although long enough to have its photo taken with Sagittair’s two ex-RCAF Beech Expeditors by Flight International. I am not aware that N15750 had a cargo door as suggested in the caption although the other two certainly did. N15750 is the rearmost Beech in the photo at http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1970/1970%20-%200921.html?search=Beech%2018%20Sagittair%20Ford

Hi,

The remnants of Canadian marks may well have come from the bogus marks applied for the BBC film (see history below):

A-850 D18S N2051D deliv to dealer Ohio Aviation & then to E.W. Bliss, Canton, OH 31Oct52. Reg’d & CofA to Bavaria Fluggesellschaft AG, W Germany 26May59 as D-IANA. To Handley Page Ltd, St Albans, UK arrived at Radlett 29Mar66 & reg’d 10May66 as G-ATUM. Reg canx 18Oct68. To Shackleton Aviation Ltd, London, UK BS 9Aug68 for $3,106. Deliv to Baginton for storage. Transf to US owner 18Oct68. To Aviation Enterprises Inc, Cedarburg, WI BS 12Nov68 & reg’d N15750 on same day. CofA 18Mar69 with 3,167 hrs TT. FF in US marks 28Mar69 from Badington. To Stephen Quinto/Sagittair, Cookham Dean, UK BS 3Dec69 & reg’d 23Jan70. Moved to Lasham in Jan71 for work but that was stopped in Aug71 (lack of parts). The Aeroplane Collection accepted it. US reg revoked 14Nov73. Dismantled & moved by road from Lasham to Corgath National Scenic Area, Scotland 3Feb77 by the BBC for use in filming a story of cannibalism after the crash of a Beech 3N (CF-RLD A-626) in Canada. Damage done during the dismantling made it unrestorable & it was left derelict at the site of the filming. Still there in ‘86. Compiled by Bob Parmerter.

I’m always interested in additions and corrections to the history.

Regards,
Bob Parmerter, Air-Britain Beech 18 Specialist & Historian Beech 18 Division of Beechcraft Heritage Museum, Tullahoma, TN

yes, i saw the abpic pics

annoying isn’t it

Intriguing! If you look on abpic.co.uk she appears to have had several colour schemes on the starboard rudder. Annoyingly none of the pictures show the port side. Keep us posted.

I have re checked the port fin – no indication of any red paint, nor any indication of a canadian flag

the CF- is quite clear

CA-149 LH was applied internally to the outer skin behind the rear spar so this must have come from CA-149 yet the canadian archives indicate 149 crashed.

there are no data plates on the fin so what happened?

could the fin have been swopped over in service – conceivable
could the fin from the crashed 149 been fitted to N15750 – possible but 15750 was not a canadian aircraft.

who knows

bit odd tho eh?

yes it does look like it could be – i will check to see if there is the remains one on the port fin

didn’t spot any red paint and from the top picture the fin looks to be white on the inner vertical surface

will check in a min and post later

philip

Isn’t that the remains of a Canadian flag on the fin in the very first picture in this thread?

i know this is a really old thread sorry

i have just started to clean up the port fin from G-ATUM/N15750

it has a CF on the fin and inside it has written in pencil CA-149

now all this seems a bit odd

no reference to a CF registration here also CA-149 was a canadian 3NM or 3NMT which crashed back in 1967.

i know parts do get swopped over but a CF reg on the fin is very strange

can anyone shed any light on it?

philip

[QUOTE=willy.henderick]First remark: Martin it is well known that nowadays people scanning Kodachrome slides have a problem of blueish hue.

….well known by who? Do my slides have a ‘blueish hue’..no! My scanner cost around £200 a few years ago and is a flatbed with slide adapter =- no problem. Where did these myths come from??

See my earlier comment – it was operated by “Bavaria Flug” – a German airline.

Martin

That’s right! It still had the Bavaria blue cheatline and was registered D-IANA. It became G-ATUM in early 1966, then N15750 in March 1969.

More fun Beeches – please see other thread for Weirdo Beech!

Okay for mine! Don’t mind anyone using my photos from here, as long as they are not exploiting them for money.

Thanks Albert – photos not used for commercial gain – just in our little newsletter which we post out to interested parties/supporters/friends etc –

Ta everso

TT