Berlin lake Lancaster

Sounds a little like DV202 in the lake at Peenemunde.

The Kölpensee; I was told about that whilst visiting Peenemunde years ago. At the little museum there, I can vaguely remember murky dive photos of the aircraft on the lake bed.

I also remember seeing the DTM Lanc section on the ground outside at the railway yard that’s part of the museum’s outside store not long after it was recovered. It’s quite a big chunk and the photos don’t really convey that at all. Because its missing the outer engine nacelle, at first glance I thought it was a Manchester.

Quite possibly, although having been pondering the matter (it was night time and nobody saw me), Could it have been in one of the Scandinavian countries, though I do still seem to think it was in a small lake near Berlin.

I also seem to remember it being discussed on the original WIX forum, before they moved to the new style format some years ago! I had a quick look but couldn’t find anything so wonder if they still have the old pages available?

Wasn’t this the airframe that was in a reservoir that was used for drinking water, not meant to be moved for fear of contamination, or is that another airframe?

Sounds a little like DV202 in the lake at Peenemunde. The lake there has been slowly filling up with silt from the adjacent power station, which apparently is toxic. Nobody in their right mind would be drinking the water there though!

Thanks Twin,
My pics are similar so no need for me to post them as well. I was really surprised to see the Merlin engine. If it was recovered from Seddiner See (lake) then
there must have been more where that came from. Condition was good.
Cees

Space is tight in the museum, but then space an issue in every museum, and I guess more so if it’s in a city centre.
Still, a fantastic place and I’d recommend it to anyone visiting Berlin.

Another view showing the top surface.

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And the Halifax engine in the History Museum

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I hadn’t noticed that, even when I was there! I can’t imaging there was that much more, further forward from the cut.

Thank’s David, I was referring to the clean cuts at the front…?

Visited the German Historic Museum today and they had a Merlin with one propeller blade on display from a Halifax II recovered from Seddiner lake. Any more info on that one?
Cees

What a fabulous exhibit, anyway. :eagerness:

The Lancaster wasn’t exactly cut up, Peter. It seems to have broken up mid-air and this piece, the only known surviving part, came down in the lake. The rest probably being disposed of soon after the incident. Any human remains being buried at the same time. The authorities needed to remove it as it it had become a hazard. You can find on the web, an account that one crew was killed after surving the crash. This isn’t true, or there is no evidence to support it.

Yes, a fantastic collection but very little space. Actually none looking at whats there.
The 110 is located in a very tight corner and the 88 is only in pieces. The Lancaster pieces are also in a corner up next to a wall.
If in Berlin visit the museum.
The displayed aircraft are located in the upper left part of the museum when entering.
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The one problem the museum has is lack of space. There is a fully restored ju88g1 fuselage on display. The wings are under restoration in Hungary IIRC. But putting it together is almost impossible. The lanc is in a tight corner so don’t know if they recovered more of it. Some pics of the recovery are on the museum ‘s website.
Cees

Wasn’t this the airframe that was in a reservoir that was used for drinking water, not meant to be moved for fear of contamination….

Sounds like they’ve left it a bit late. Seventy years of oil, petrol, hydraulic fluid…human remains.

Shame they cut it I wonder how much more of the front fuselage was raised up than you see here?

It’s the starboard wing, undercarriage and part of the fuselage of Lancaster JA914 coded DX-O from 57 Sqn, East Kirkby at the Deutsches Technik Museum (DTM), Berlin.
This aircraft was shot down during a raid on Berlin on 4th September 1943 at about half past midnight, from an altitude of 15,000 feet and some 25 miles from target and crashed into a lake with the loss of all crew.
The shoot down was claimed Uffz Fritz Brinkmann flying an FW 190 from Stab JG300.
CREW
Sergeant J.T. Carruthers RAF
Flight Sergeant W.E. Grindley RCAF
Sergeant H.I. Jones RAF
Flight Sergeant David Livingstone RAAF
Sergeant A. Moore RAF
Sergeant H.M. Porteus RCAF
Sergeant A. Sutcliffe RAF

The remains of the Lancaster were recovery from Wünsdorfer See near Zossen, south of Berlin on 29 September 1997.

Great museum. Worth a visit. Great city too.

Wasn’t this the airframe that was in a reservoir that was used for drinking water, not meant to be moved for fear of contamination, or is that another airframe?

Of course, not only could if not be that airframe but my mind could possibly have made it up, but something does seems to ring a bell about an aircraft in a reservoir!

Old age and senility quite possibly :highly_amused:

What became of the rest of it?

Anon.

Is that the remains of the ex-50 Squadron Lancaster recovered several years ago?