BF-109E Restoration

Bf109

Paul

Likewise – bit on 1983.

24.01.42
5./JG5 Bf109 E 1983 ‘Rote ?’ Titowka 100%
Emergency landing Jagerbeschuss. No personal injury

First loss for 5./JG77 in Northern Russia.

Been trying to ID the pilot and number.

Very similar to 3523 now in Chino.

Seen a photo or two of her in the tundra – somewhere.

Though I am not saying that the one in the photo is 1983!:)

Mark

Guessing one of these would be Jerry Yagens 109e?

Nope

Guessing one of these would be Jerry Yagens 109e?

I am sorry you see it that way, Bomberboy, but I think Mark12 has adequately and appropriately summed things up.

I had not meant to portray it that way, even if that is how it came across and would only add that “anonymity” was a pre-requisite of the owner/restorer on the production company who made the film for the BBC.

I understand what you and Mark 12 say and thanks for clearing the reasoning up a little better.
The owner is worried about security, a matter which should be the same for anyone, but as you have acknowledged and the way which it may have been portrayed meant that I just didn’t see it quite come over like that, especially with the fact that the owner had allowed the cameras in in the first place.

It just seemed a little hypocritical, but all is now good.

Bomberboy

I am sorry you see it that way, Bomberboy, but I think Mark12 has adequately and appropriately summed things up.

I had not meant to portray it that way, even if that is how it came across and would only add that “anonymity” was a pre-requisite of the owner/restorer on the production company who made the film for the BBC.

Where did this one come from? Ex-Russian or another source?

If 1983

I have….

Shot down on the 24.01.42 following combat with the Hurricanes of 2./ 760.IAP VVS 14A at Kovda and made a belly landing

Yup, I suspect the shear cost of bringing in the huge amount of extra lights required to see the damn things in the Hendon darkness is what puts them off……… :p 😀 :dev2:

Damn.. I wanted to say that. It’s the only museum that you need to bring a flashlight to see the exhibits. 😉

So why even include it in a BBC programme?
That’s a classic ‘I want everybody to know of it and here it is….but yet I don’t want you to know’.
Bomberboy

It may be a classic…but it would be wrong in this case.

The restorer does not want everybody to know about it.

He is a very modest man, keenly aware of property security…and client confidentiality. As a personal favour to a friend, the narrator, he agreed for his workshop to be the backdrop for some aspects of the programme.

As with two previous flying Spitfires and two flying Me109e’s, in good time it will emerge. 🙂

Mark

I agree. Its also interesting that film makers have avoided the Hendon machines as well…Spitfire, Hurricane, 109, even the CR42. It should be easy to arrange filming before opening or after closing in order to light the aeroplanes for filming. Maybe the cost drove the cameras away?

Yup, I suspect the shear cost of bringing in the huge amount of extra lights required to see the damn things in the Hendon darkness is what puts them off……… :p 😀 :dev2:

The owner/restorer wishes to keep its location private and secure. His prerogative, and rightly so. Very often, too, the client for whom the aircraft is being restored requires confidentiality within the restoration contract. Nothing strange about what you percieve as “hush-hush”, I’d suggest!

If I were restoring a Me109 (or anything, for that matter!) I’d probably not want it generally or widely discussed.

So why even include it in a BBC programme?
That’s a classic ‘I want everbody to know of it and here it is….but yet I don’t want you to know’.
Unfortunately it seems nothing more to me than a pure contradiction on its own.
So my view is what doesn’t exist I won’t miss!
I have long gone past the ‘I must see it I must see it’ phase to the ‘If I never see it it will not bother me!’

There is plenty of variety out there that is willing to be seen!

Bomberboy

Where did this one come from? Ex-Russian or another source?

The owner/restorer wishes to keep its location private and secure. His prerogative, and rightly so. Very often, too, the client for whom the aircraft is being restored requires confidentiality within the restoration contract. Nothing strange about what you percieve as “hush-hush”, I’d suggest!

If I were restoring a Me109 (or anything, for that matter!) I’d probably not want it generally or widely discussed.

Why so enigmatic?

As a complete outsider and a foreigner to boot, I find the above thread rather strange. Why so much hush-hush? :confused:

Ken

As a guess I would suspect Bf-109E-7 Werknummer 1983…

But that is a Guess on my part…

…and a quick Google on ‘Preserved Axis Aircraft’ or a peek in to ‘Wrecks and Relics’ would make that a very logical guess.

Mark

Similarly no one’s paid a visit to the last genuine German bomber from the conflict, the first JU88 raised in Norway and now stored in Berlin.

I saw it a couple of years ago in Berlin.

Sadly, it is now missing a hell of a lot – much of which was retained by the Norwegians for their restoration. Fantastic project though, and one I would have loved to be involved with.

Bruce

Is it a real BF-109E or is it another Buchon??

James

As a guess I would suspect Bf-109E-7 Werknummer 1983…

But that is a Guess on my part…

It should be easy to arrange filming before opening or after closing in order to light the aeroplanes for filming.

I would estimate the producers of this piece would have shot 50-100 hours of material prior to editing. Sometimes a whole day on site will end up as only 20-30 seconds in the final cut….as was the case with the 109e.

Mark

In addition to iPlayer, this program is repeated this coming Sunday night on BBC2….

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00txmkk

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Ok cheers Mark, I watch that next week before it goes,

Cheers
James

Don’t wait too long before you watch it, I was looking at it earlier today and it said “available on iPlayer for 3 more days”. Don’t miss it.

Ok cheers Mark, I watch that next week before it goes,

Cheers
James