March 1, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Hello,
For years I have been collecting WWII aircraft instruments. I have built up quite an impressive historical collection.
Monday the 18th of January I had an ‘invasion’ of police officers & health care people in my house. The reason was a P-51 panel that was intercepted at customs (since it was sent with surface shipping…)
They entered the house at 08:30 and my girlfriend and I were not allowed to leave the building. at 14:30 they left with my WWII aircraft instruments collection.
They found my collection in the living room and confiscated everything. The reason is the luminous paint on the pointers and face of the instruments contains radium-226 which is apparently radioactive.
They told me that they will place it in concrete and dump it somewhere and that it can’t pass the Dutch border anymore.
Now I have to prepare myself for a court case.
Is it legal in your country to have WWII aircraft instruments in your home?
Did you ever hear of a similar case?
I have found a good lawyer and he will request the return of the items.
For obtaining information regarding this matter I have read a lot of articles on the internet. Some are very negative about Radium-226
I called a seller in the Netherlands, the RAF Duxford Museum, Museum Speyer, 2 small aviation museums in the Netherlands, a watches & clocks dealer and a few aviation enthusiasts. Unfortunately I still don’t know much more about the subject.
I have checked the law and it is not clear. If you are going to show it to the public as in a museum you need a license, but as a privat person you cannot obtain such a license.
I have bought loads of items from a lot of different countries and never had a problem. I have received most of them by post, declaring ‘old used wwII aircraft instruments’
I have brought a complete Ju-87 & a Ju-88 panels from the UK to the Netherlands by plane without any problem at customs.
I feel quite helpless and that this hobby is illegal is quite shocking news for me. I would even prefer to go to prison than lose the collection this way.
An overview of the Items that were taken:
Complete Panels:
Luftwaffe:
Manned fi 103, DFS Olympia Meise, JU-87 D, Ju 88 A-4, Me 109 G-6, Focke Wulf A-8, He-162, He 219.
Allied:
Spitfire mk XIV, Mustang P-51 D
3 blind flying panels RAF early, mid and late war. I also had some very rare RAF instruments such as 2x Spitfire fuel gauge 1x Hurricane fuel gauge.
Instruments:
2 x very big Luftwaffe compass (the one under the Ju-88 panel and in the ‘back seat’ of the Me-110)
5 x big compass
4 x small compass fl 23334
15 Horizons
10 x Turn & bank
10 Speedometers
15 Altimeters
…etc etc etc
And a lot of very rare gauges, many in mint condition.
15 Japanese instruments.
I had in total about 500 instruments!! of which 80% Luftwaffe.
My first concern is the destruction of this unique historical, technical material. My second concern is that I am completely broke, for years I have spent every euro I had for this fascinating hobby.
Since I have to fight against the Dutch goverment I need a miracle, a good lawyer and all the relevant information I could get, so if you have any official, written information or statements from specialists that could be useful in my case I would be very grateful.
Thanks for your support!
Liad van Praag
By: tfctops - 31st March 2025 at 10:04
Hi WW11
My deepest commiserations with what has happened.Welcome to the forum please stay on here and you will get a good response from the guys on here.I personally have very little knowledge of the subject but there was a thread about this exact problem not so long ago.I wish you luck and can assure you will get a more informed respnse within the next hour or so.
Kind Regards
Jon
Thanks Tangmere1940 didn’t know how to link it
By: Arabella-Cox - 31st March 2025 at 10:04
Liad
This has already been extensively discussed here:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97884&highlight=radium
By: Blue_2 - 31st March 2025 at 10:03
Liad
Sorry to hear what has happened, and I wish you all the best in your fight.
By: Sopwith - 31st March 2025 at 10:03
Hi Liad,
Sorry to hear about your misfortune with your instrument collection,thats pretty awful that the police can do that.I remember reading about the radium paint in an EAA article a few years back but I can`t recall any mention of the legality of owning these instruments.If they want to be picky where will they draw the line?.will they start on WW2 aircraft owners next?.I have read that there is a slight danger of being in close proximity to these instruments but you would have to spend hours, day in day out by what I can understand from it.It will be interesting to see how this developes.Good luck and keep us posted.
By: Bruce - 31st March 2025 at 10:02
I’m not sure we even need to merge them. Please stick to the other thread, to avoid duplication. I’ve closed this one.
Bruce
By: Arabella-Cox - 31st March 2025 at 10:02
Duplication?
Would it not be sensible to merge the threads?
The link in the first post on the other thread was to a post identical to Liad’s post above – and a good deal of interesting and informed debate followed. Seems silly to have it all running twice.
By: smirky - 31st March 2025 at 10:02
🙁 I wouldn’t be quite so dismissive of the risks with 500 instruments, if many radioactive, in a living room. The total gamma could be considerable (do the arithmetic) and there is also possible dust and Radon ingestion to consider.
By: Arabella-Cox - 31st March 2025 at 10:02
You would actually have to eat or inhale the luminous paint before there would be any significant risk to you.
Most of the radiation is alpha which is stopped by a cm or two of air and can’t penetrate your skin anyway; however it is the alpha that would cause possible problems if ingested. There is some gamma but nowhere near enough to constitute a significant hazard with the quantities of radium dibromide used, even if you swallowed it. The problem is that you can never say there is absolutely no risk involved and this is what the fools latch on to.
Jim