Big list of crashed a/c near Kiel / Germany. Need details !

Hi guys, here I am again !

after Flood has posted the big list of a/c, I compared his data with my list of crashes.
The problem now; I need the list of their crews…

In my list of the Kiel War Cemetary from 1939 to 1945 are all dates to find. but not all names of killed crewmembers was know. Important for me is who was killed and who was pow !?

Before I updated my website, I need the names. Maybe Flood can help again, or someone else…

Here the list now:

28.06.40: 61.sqdn. L4112 / Hampden, crashlocation and crew unknown

26.09.40: P2090, Hampden, sqdn.?, crashlocation and crew unknown

12.06.41: 61.sqdn. AD 727 / Hampden , crashlocation and crew unknown

07.09.41: 49.sqdn. AD236 / Hampden ,crashlocation and crew unknown

08.09.41: 35.sqdn. unknown type of a/c and location (4 KIA), crashlocation and crew unknown

31.10.41: 77.sqdn. Z6950 / Whitley, crashlocation and crew unknown

11.09.41: R1038 / Wellington, sqdn.? crashlocation and crew unknown
11.09.41: X9879 / Wellington, sqdn.? crashlocation and crew unknown

12.09.41: 149.sqdn. crashlocation and crew unknown

26.02.42: 12.sqdn. W5440, Wellington, crashlocation and crew unknown

29.03.42: 75.sqdn. X3462 / Wellington, unknown crashlocation
29.03.42:82.sqdn. crewmember: Woodbridge, type of a/ ,crashlocation and crew unknown
29.03.42:83sqdn. R5781 / Manchaster, crashlocation and crew unknown

Thanks for help !

Nils

Just passing on the info from the respective RAF Bomber Command Losses volumes. Guess there isn’t a chance that it could have been dragged on shore?

Flood

hey flood , yo are great !!!
many thanks for your work !!!
now I can put same informations into my website !!

the “un-user friendly”, he came from Kiel too? I thinks I know him…

one data are misterious:

28.06.1940, Page Hampden, 61.sqdn, L4112:
you wrote, the a/c crashed in Kiel Bay. But I have informations, that the a/c crashed on land. the dead crewmember was found on a field in the near of the crash.
1KIA, 3POW is right. I have the details from original list of War Cemetary in Kiel…
Maybe your data is wrong?

thanks again for your great help !

Nils

the ´n´th its from me !

I have only the numbers of sqdn. and maybe the type of a/c
In the list are no us- a/c .

I was joking – ‘xx’th Sqn is American style and has no relevance in a list of RAF squadrons.

Complied using the various Bomber Command Losses volumes (but without consulting the amendments list since I find them terribly un-user friendly):

28.06.1940: Page Hampden, 61th. Sqdn.
L4112 QR- 3 POW 1+. Hit by flak and crashed in Kiel Bay.

02.07.1940: Withley, 61th. Sqdn.
Whitley N1461 GE- 58Sqn. Crashed near the target (Scharnhorst in Kiel Dockyard) 1 POW 4+

02.07.1940: Page Hampden, 83th. Sqdn.
P1171 OL-P hit by flak and crashed in the target area 4+

04.07.1940: 144th. Sqdn.
P4361 PL- 4+ crashed close to target

09.04.1940: 149th. Sqdn.
15.04.1940: 149th. Sqdn.
Nothing from 149Sqn on these dates (Wellington Ic OJ-)

12.06.1941: Page Hampden, 61th. Sqdn. Crew: J.Bestwick
11-12/6/41 AD727 QR- Gardening in Kiel Bay. 4+

01.09.1941: all unknown…
Missions to Koln or Essen, but nothing about Kiel…

08.09.1941: all unknown. (1KIA, 3POW), crashed west of Kiel in a Lake
49Sqn AE236 EA- crashed in target area 4+

20.10.1941: 106th. Sqdn. Crew: J.L. Lockwood
AD984 ZN- 4+ crashed at Borby (note says location untraced)

31.10.1941: 12th. Sqdn.
???

31.10.1941: 77th. Sqdn. Crew: J.M.Boyd
31/10-1/11/41 Whitley Z6950 KN- 5+ mission to Hamburg, buried in Kiel War Cemetary

30.11.1941: 142th. Sqdn. Crew: Butterworth, Gilmour, Lewis, Lucking…
30/11-1/12/41 Wellington Z1292 QT- 6+

26.02.1942: 12th. Sqdn. Crew: E.A. Bairstow
25-26/2/42 Wellington II W5440 PH- 6+

29.03.1942: 75th. Sqdn.
28-29/3/42 Wellington III X3462 AA-N 6+

29.03.1942: 83th. Sqdn.
28-29/3/42 Manchester R5781 OL-R 6+

03.10.1943: all unknown
Various missions and losses, none mention Kiel

11.10.1943: all unknown
Nothing on this date

23.03.1944: all unknown
Frankfurt on 22-23/3/44, but no mention of Kiel

24.03.1944: 429th. Sqdn.
Halifax III LW688 AL-J 2 POW 5+ Berlin mission. Crashed 21:30 between Sieseby and Thumby, buried in Kiel War Cemetary

08.04.1944: all unknown.
No losses over Europe that night

Flood

Fair enough 😉

Good luck with your investigations.

Cheers

Cees

that´s right 🙂

but I have not enough money to by it…
maybe in the next jear !?
so I hope to find some informations here.

Pathfinder,

For this kind of work wouldn’t it be a good idea to invest in some well known books such as Bomber Command Losses, Fighter Command Losses etc. This will give you an excellent library where you can have instant information that will lead you into further investigations.

Just a tip, I have been there myself. 🙂

Cheers

Cees

RAF squadrons…never referred to as ‘n’th Squadron…Americans didn’t use Hampdens…etc.;)

Flood

the ´n´th its from me !

I have only the numbers of sqdn. and maybe the type of a/c
In the list are no us- a/c .

Flood

when did the USAAF start their bombing raids ? 27th January 1943……

so you can well pull out your books.

😉 Martin

RAF squadrons…never referred to as ‘n’th Squadron…Americans didn’t use Hampdens…etc.;)

Flood

Nils

for the 8th April 1944 there is no Bomber Command loss – also not on several dates earlier or later…….

Must be an USAAF aircraft or the wrong date.

See here for the RAF Bomber Command Diary:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/diary.html

Martin

Pathfinder

re. the 24th March 1944 loss, we have three candidates for No. 429 (RCAF) Sqdn:

check here
http://www.rcaf.com/6group/March44/March24~2544.html

and for more No. 6 Group (RCAF) units – go here:

http://www.rcaf.com/6group/left.html

lots of data to be found…

Martin

Just want to know if these are American units before I pointlessly haul out all my Bomber Command Losses volumes…;)

Flood

Flood

when did the USAAF start their bombing raids ? 27th January 1943……

so you can well pull out your books.

😉 Martin

Just want to know if these are American units before I pointlessly haul out all my Bomber Command Losses volumes…;)

Flood