Bissell, Bragg & Whitthread at Athelstaneford.

Thank you for the reply.

I didnt actually pick up on the age difference so thanks for bringing it up.

I will contact you off board for a chat about Lynn.

Lynn Newton Bissell

[QUOTE=Merlin3945;1949849]This is how I spent my rememberance day.

Part of a new project to try and research every airmen or women buried in East Lothian.

Lt Lynn Newton Bissell & Lt Eric Wensley Bragg died 31/10/1918 In an air accident in Bristol F2b B8942.

Lynn is my youngest uncle. His father married the village school teacher not long after his wife died, and had two further children in 1906 (my father) and 1908. The age on the stone is wrong, as you have already found out. He lied about his age and joined up to be with his older brother Lloyd in the Canadian army, but transferred to the RFC which later became the RAF. I was fascinated to read details of the crash in your thread, as I saw part of a Bristol F2 from WWI in the Cdn. War Museum in Ottawa not long ago. If you have any questions or would like further information, I would be happy to provide anything I can.

Well the Kiel mutiny took place around this date. I dont know if a Bristol F2b could have reached Keil or done any damage. I think a Bristols range was 369 miles and Kiel is 518 miles which after allowing for wind and diversions from a straight line does not leave much room for a middle of North Sea interception. I would have thought that Sopwith Cuckoos would have dropped torpedoes but their range was about 330 miles. See this page for a potential way that Cuckoos could have been used in such a raid. http://davidcowdrey.webs.com/185landtorpedosqdrn.htm.
I havn’t read about F2bs at East Fortune but perhaps someone could identify the unit? a canadian pilot 2ndLt Keirruish was killed at EF in a F2b in 1918. www.samfoundation.ca/RNAS_CdnsKilled.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiel_mutiny
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERrevolution.htm

Thanks for the background Robert.

Edward Whitthread’s death was incorrectly recorded as Witthread in the Scottish Records and in the 1911 census.

Descendants of William Whittread

Generation No. 1

1. WILLIAM1 WHITTREAD was born 1832 in Liverpool, Lancashire. He married ELIZABETH JONES. She was born 1831, and died 1890.

Child of WILLIAM WHITTREAD and ELIZABETH JONES is:
2. i. JOHN JONES WHITTHREAD, b. 1860, Liverpool; d. 10 Jan 1928, 11 Sutton Street, Liverpool, West Derby, Lancashire.

Generation No. 2

2. JOHN JONES WHITTHREAD (WILLIAM1 WHITTREAD) was born 1860 in Liverpool, and died 10 Jan 1928 in 11 Sutton Street, Liverpool, West Derby, Lancashire. He married MARTHA BETTONEY 1893 in Leicester. She was born 1861 in London, and died 16 Aug 1933 in Liverpool Lancashire.

Notes for JOHN JONES WHITTHREAD:
a Coachman in 1894
left £221 to his wife

Children of JOHN WHITTHREAD and MARTHA BETTONEY are:
i. EDWARD D WHITTHREAD, b. 1892, Leicestershire; d. 08 Feb 1919, buried Athelstaneford.

Notes for EDWARD D WHITTHREAD:
CWGC
WHITTHREAD, E B

Rank:
Serjeant
Service No:
314862
Date of Death:
08/02/1919
Regiment/Service:
Royal Air Force
Grave Reference
B. 46.
Cemetery
ATHELSTANEFORD PARISH CHURCHYARD

Additional Information:

1901 census at 11 Sutton Street, West Derby born Leicestershire
Father John Whitthread aged 41 “Living on own means” born Lancashire Mother Martha aged 40 born London sister Alice aged 7 born Lancashire
1911 census in Royal Navy Edward B Witthead aged 19 single Able Seaman born Liverpool

PO Edward B Whitthread 238466 who was awarded the Star, Victory Medal and British War medal Royal Navy

From Death Certificate
Edward Witthread Sergt Mechanic (RAF) single died 8th Feb 1919 RN Hospital, Granton from Infuenza Bronco Pneumonia 2 days. Home Address 11 Sutton Street, Liverpool Father John Jones Witthread Tramway Co Employee, Mother Martha
Informant RN Hospital, Granton

ii. ALICE MAUD MARY WHITTHREAD, b. 25 Mar 1894, St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire baptised 12-7-1894; m. JAMES ROBERTSON, 1927, West Derby, Lancashire.

Not found anything about Whitthread.

Descendants of Aretemus Bissell

Generation No. 1
1. ARETEMUS BISSELL

Child of ARETEMUS BISSELL is:
2. i. ARTHUR J BISSELL, b. 01 Apr 1867; d. 06 Nov 1931.

Generation No. 2
2. ARTHUR J BISSELL (ARETEMUS1) was born 01 Apr 1867, and died 06 Nov 1931. He married LILLIE CLOW, daughter of JOHN CLOW and MARY MCCLONE. She was born 1874, and died 27 Apr 1903 in Leeds County, Ontario, Canada.

Children of ARTHUR BISSELL and LILLIE CLOW are:
3. i. SARAH GRACE BISSELL, b. 18 Dec 1894, Algonquin, Ontario, Canada; d. 20 Dec 1980, Scarsdale, New York.
ii. LLOYD ARTEMUS BISSELL, b. 1896, Algonquin, Ontario, Canada; d. 1985, Peachland, British Columbia, Canada.
iii. HILTON S BISSELL, b. 1898, Algonquin, Ontario, Canada; d. 1923, Washington State.
iv. LT LYNN NEWTON BISSELL, b. 1899, Algonquin, Ontario, Canada; d. 31 Oct 1918, buried Athelstaneford.

Notes for LT LYNN NEWTON BISSELL:
31/10/1918:- Setting off in Bristol F2b Serial B8942, on a bombing raid over the German Fleet, while climbing out from East Fortune stalled and entered a side slip. Crashed upon which a bomb exploded killing both men.

CWGC
BISSELL, LYNN NEWTON

Rank:
Lieutenant
Date of Death:
31/10/1918
Age:
19
Regiment/Service:
Royal Air Force

201st Training Depot Station
Grave Reference
45.
Cemetery
ATHELSTANEFORD PARISH CHURCHYARD

Additional Information:

Son of Arthur J. and Lillie Bissell, of Church St., Brockville, Ontario, Canada.

Generation No. 3
3. SARAH GRACE BISSELL (ARTHUR J2, ARETEMUS1) was born 18 Dec 1894 in Algonquin, Ontario, Canada, and died 20 Dec 1980 in Scarsdale, New York. She married JOHN ALBERT BEATSON. He was born 1876, and died 1965.

Children of SARAH BISSELL and JOHN BEATSON are:
i. MARY LOUISE BEATSON.
ii. ? BEATSON.

Descendants of Henry Bragg

Generation No. 1
1. HENRY1 BRAGG was born 1864 in Newcastle-on-Tyne. He married ANNIE ELIZABETH WENSLEY 1895 in New Brighton, Cheshire. She was born 1869 in New Brighton, Cheshire.

Notes for HENRY BRAGG:
at 1911 census at 64 Auckland Road, Upper Norwood London SE an Architect

Notes for ANNIE ELIZABETH WENSLEY:
at 1911 census at 64 Auckland Road, Upper Norwood London SE

Children of HENRY BRAGG and ANNIE WENSLEY are:
i. LT ERIC WENSLEY BRAGG, b. 1896, New Brighton, Cheshire; d. 31 Oct 1918, buried Athelstaneford.

Notes for LT ERIC WENSLEY BRAGG:
at 1911 census at 64 Auckland Road, Upper Norwood London SE

31/10/1918:- Setting off in Bristol F2b Serial B8942, on a bombing raid over the German Fleet, while climbing out from East Fortune stalled and entered a side slip. Crashed upon which a bomb exploded killing both men.

CWGC
BRAGG, E W
Rank:
Lieutenant
Date of Death:
31/10/1914
Regiment/Service:
Royal Flying Corps
201st Training station

Cemetery
ATHELSTANEFORD PARISH CHURCHYARD

Home adddress 64 Auckland Park Road, Norwood, Surrey left £294 15s 10d. Administrator of Eastate Henry Bragg, Architect

ii. HARRY VYNER BRAGG, b. 1898, Flixton, Lanacashire.

Notes for HARRY VYNER BRAGG:
at 1911 census at 64 Auckland Road, Upper Norwood London SE

iii. RALPH RANDALL BRAGG, b. 1900, Flixton, Lanacashire; d. 1980, Kidderminster, Hertford and worcester.

Notes for RALPH RANDALL BRAGG:
at 1911 census at 64 Auckland Road, Upper Norwood London SE

iv. MAX WALTHEW BRAGG, b. 1902, Flixton, Lanacashire; d. 1968, Newton Abbot, Devon.

Notes for MAX WALTHEW BRAGG:
at 1911 census at 64 Auckland Road, Upper Norwood London SE

Just to add some more information to the accident of Lt Bissell and Lt Bragg.

31/10/1918:- Setting off in Bristol F2b Serial B8942, on a bombing raid over the German Fleet, while climbing out from East Fortune stalled and entered a side slip. Crashed upon which a bomb exploded killing both men.

This would seem to tie up the reason both men were buried in the same plot in the cemetery.

Is there any way of telling where the German fleet were at the time of this raid and possibly what the fleet consisted of that day?

Is the any way of knowing any more information of this raid?