Black 6

And there I was thinking it was a Spitfire, like everything else on this forum (oops)… :rolleyes:

The film commentry is hilarious btw.

Yes it’s Black6 about 1952/ 53

A still from the downlodable Horseguards Parade film on the Pathe website – www.britishpathe.com

Recognise anyone?

Re: Black6

Originally posted by Fluffy

Red 3 was for the Land Girls film which she was in for about 10 secs

With what looked like a smoke pot mounted to the fuel tank rack under the belly.

Black6

Mark12 Nice picture of Rn228 it’s Yellow 14, I have 2 colour photo’s of her at Raf Brawdy families day1971

We did the Lucky Strike ad with no number on the fuselage that was added (blue 8 ) for ‘Over Here’.

Red 3 was for the Land Girls film which she was in for about 10 secs

The 109-f,W.Nr.10132, at DX 13th February 1999.

Red 3

I stand corrected on the ‘109 in “Land Girls” – it IS G-USTV, and it’s Red 3 as in the photograph.

I can see where Warbird UK is coming from when he says ‘one slip oof the brakes and it could end up on its nose’ but that is more for the smaller warbirds like the spitfire, hurricane, bf109, mustang etc but with NX611 the risk of ‘turning turtle’ is lower as she is much larger and the CofG is much further back. I think it would be a lot harder to tip a 40ton bomber than a 3ton(?) spit or messerschmitt. but I also agree wih what hatton is saying there is nothig like standing behind or in front of for that matter the ‘real thing’ rather than listening to a tape or CD of the noise that an aicraft makes

Incidently I have on cassette ‘Lancaster – Operations On’ which I purchased from the visitors centre of the BBMF at Coningsby does any one know if this is available on CD as the tape is worn out from over playing!

I think in the case of the Hendon there would be little space for taxing so i should rephrase it as just engine running. This would be very safe as long as care was taken and would eliminate the risk that WarbirdUK has outlined with Taxing. Keeping the airframes active, well a select few, would also be extremely beneficial in the long term and may also be advantageous if a decision was ever made to get the aircraft airworthy again (tragically highly unlikely)

Sadly i don’t think Audio samples of the engines or videos can ever replace the experience of standing behind an hisitoric aircraft as it runs its engines up and feeling the full force of the prop wash in your face 🙂 You only have to look at East Kirkby to see how safely and succesful taxi runs can be.

best regards, steve

Originally posted by Hatton
We must remember that although these are flying machines and should always be in the air where possible, there is a time perhaps when there historical value is too much for us to risk them in the air. Im sure Black Six could have had many years ahead of her in the air if she had been restored back to airworthy condition. Im sure the LVG would also have had many years ahead of her in the air but at least we know they are going to be looked after in a museum with an excellent track record (cue Halifax, tiffie on perch gags).

I do have one gripe however………………………..

There are several aircraft at the RAF museum that could be ground run, some of the German aircraft i understand were run at St Athan and there is no doubt Black Six with a little work and the newly arrived Mustang could taxi also. If the RAF Museum wants to teach the new generations about aircraft, let the hear what a real aircraft engine sounds lie.
steve 🙂

While ground running is not too risky as long as you follow the procedures, I’m dead against taxying any aircraft around for the sake of it, one slip on the brakes & it’s on it’s nose with all the damage that comes with it! sure, it’s nice to see & hear a vintage warbird running but the reality is that there are several CD’s with both fine photo’s & sound clips, these don’t risk the aircraft in any way, sorry to say it but the 100 or so enthusiasts who watch a taxi run out of a crowd of 5,000 ar not going to foot the bill if it ends up on it’s nose or running off the runway & shearing a leg!
Just my thoughts!
Cheers………………..

Re: Black 6

Originally posted by Septic
Does anybody have a good ground shot of G-USTV whilst it was in film markings as Blue 8.

See photo below taken at Old Warden.

I have a photo that would have been I deal for you if it hadn’y been for the fact that she’s in her usual Black 8 markings. Even had the cowling open at the time

“Tigercat – maybe we should slap the Luftwaffe as well ! If they hadn’t carelessly left her in the desert in an unairworthy state the RAF wouldn’t have got their hands on her. Then the RAF got her flying for the EAF and flew her for a couple of years.”

She was flown around for fun by the Aussies who captured her for a while first. Funnily enough, when I was researching Johnny Wiseman, I had a chat with his old best mate – who had been attached (as the only Brit) to the RAAF Sqdn who got hold of Black 6. I saw some pics of her when I visited him. He had boxes of pictures (he kept diaries too) – the photo recce plane didn’t use up it’s entire load of film…..

“Having left school, Charley began work as a motor mechanic in a local garage before joining the RAF as groundcrew, while Johnny applied for pilot training, having always been fascinated with flying and hoping to follow a post-war career as an airline pilot. Due to his earlier trade, Charley was sent on a mechanics course and was later posted out to the Middle East as a fitter, leaving home on 10th May 1942. Arriving in Cairo, Egypt, he joined No. 450 Squadron of the Royal Australian Air Force working in the Motorised Transport Section, and also helping to arm and service the aircraft when necessary. 450 Squadron, whose motto read ‘Harass’, were equipped with Curtis P40 Kittyhawk fighters, with which they flew constant ground attack missions as well as flying on escort duty to heavier bombers of the Allied Air Forces, maintaining a steady pressure on the enemy despite heavy losses. Moving through the desert entailed an almost Gypsy-like lifestyle, and Charley recalls that water was scarce, so washing and shaving was a rare and luxurious occurrence. Petrol, on the other hand, was in good supply, and uniforms would be cleaned in this. All of this happened while operating from hastily built airfields, during which time mines left by the retreating forces were a constant threat, which resulted in more than a few casualties – some fatal. 450 next went to Italy, via Malta, continuing in the ground attack role for the rest of the war until 450 Squadron, now equipped with North American Mustangs, was disbanded at Lavariano, Italy, on 20th August 1945. Charley came to think very highly of the Australians, describing them as a lovely bunch of lads, and recalls that both officers and enlisted mixed together. They also enjoyed their time off, and on various leaves he was able to climb Vesuvius, the leaning tower at Pisa, and St Peters in Rome. After disbandment, Charley was sent back to Cairo, from where he had started, finally returning home on 24th January 1946, unlike his childhood friend John, after 3 years and 9 months away from home. “

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sconnor
[B]What sort of quality do you need?

Thanks for offer sconnor, would yo be able to email a 1mb Jpeg.

Side view if possible.

Do you have any ground shots of the aircraft in this revised scheme.

Thanks

Septic.

Originally posted by Tigercatno1fan
What film was from that from:eek:

she did feature in the film Land Girls! After capture she was used by the enemy aircraft evaluation flight and was put in raf markings and i think given the serial EN339

Can’t help with one in film guise but can with one of her in RAF guise.

Can we actually buy ‘Over Here’ as a box set or something in PAL format – i’d love to watch it again, just for the 109’s!
Anyone?
sconner, i’m sure you may have an idea?

thanks

What sort of quality do you need? I’ve got some broadcast quality video footage I could get a couple of stills from.

Septic you could try either Key or The Eastern Daily Press as they both had shots of both Black 10 and Black 6 during the filming for ‘Over Here’ printed at the time, I can remember a shot in FP with Black 6 on the ground just after the application of the film paint, also the EDP pic was taken at Swanton Morley which is where the 109s were based during their sojourn to Norfolk. The filming took place in october of ’95 if that’s of any help. Would have some pics myself but I didn’t set the camera up properly and the shots were underexposed, got some nice ones of Sally B though 😀

Tom.

Steve is 100% right; as I’ve mentioned on her before, I well remember the sound and spectacle of the Me410 ground running on airshow mornings at St Athan years ago. Now what’s it doing? Dust collectng at Cosford-a tragedy.

Much as I love Hendon-it was my first aviation museum, and despite everything, is still my own personal favourite-I do think that even with it’s new building etc etc, it’s actually a place that’s getting old, fast.

My blood boils when I see Black 6 just sitting there in the gloom and murk; it’s heartbreaking. Okay, maybe it’s safer on the ground in the long run, but can’t they even illuminate the thing properly?
Instead of a new building full of a lot of nothing under a loose title, couldn’t they have arranged some way of having aircraft see the odd bit of daylight every now and then for a change?

We must remember that although these are flying machines and should always be in the air where possible, there is a time perhaps when there historical value is too much for us to risk them in the air. Im sure Black Six could have had many years ahead of her in the air if she had been restored back to airworthy condition. Im sure the LVG would also have had many years ahead of her in the air but at least we know they are going to be looked after in a museum with an excellent track record (cue Halifax, tiffie on perch gags).

I do have one gripe however………………………..

There are several aircraft at the RAF museum that could be ground run, some of the German aircraft i understand were run at St Athan and there is no doubt Black Six with a little work and the newly arrived Mustang could taxi also. If the RAF Museum wants to teach the new generations about aircraft, let the hear what a real aircraft engine sounds lie.

steve 🙂