With the new BOM service starting soon, there is rumour down at Toad Hall that the need for an additional aircraft (pretty sharpish) will come in the form of a wet-leased B757 which will promptly be slapped on the MAN-IAD run, freeing up an A330 for LHR-BOM.
This seems like a really bad idea since bmi’s long haul service reputation is excellent for the A330.
Anyone heard similar? Purely inside gossip from Toad Hall as usual! :p
By: wilag - 9th March 2005 at 18:26
Why thank you 🙂
I was curious as to how the livery would take to a 777. This is what I found:
Looks rather flash, IMO
Ohhh christ, just had a sex wee!!!!
Thats looks the dogs
By: wilag - 9th March 2005 at 18:26
Why thank you 🙂
I was curious as to how the livery would take to a 777. This is what I found:
Looks rather flash, IMO
Ohhh christ, just had a sex wee!!!!
Thats looks the dogs
By: Skymonster - 9th March 2005 at 15:41
Worst thing IMHO about a 757 trans-Atlantic is the time it takes to do the boarding / deboarding – with many passengers having large carry-ons, limited bin sizes, and only one aisle (this being the biggest issue), it seems to take an age.
By: Skymonster - 9th March 2005 at 15:41
Worst thing IMHO about a 757 trans-Atlantic is the time it takes to do the boarding / deboarding – with many passengers having large carry-ons, limited bin sizes, and only one aisle (this being the biggest issue), it seems to take an age.
By: Bmused55 - 9th March 2005 at 14:49
IMHO, the problem is not so much putting a 757 into the market (I’ve just litterally got back today from EWR on a CO 757 and it wasn’t too bad an experience), but managing passenger expectations if it doesn’t have seat back PTVs and for some reason they can’t offer the full BMI service. Having flown Icelandair too, they don’t have seat-back entertainment so to keep their standard of service BMI would have to have the interior pretty significantly reworked. Furthermore, Icelandair’s business class seats are no where near as good as BMI’s “The Business” seats, there’s no enhanced economy, and Icelandair’s economy pitch is pretty ropey, so again an interior refit should really be needed. If they don’t do that and put a 757 onto the route in Icelandair configuration, I think that they will seriously damage their reputation – I know, having flown BMI to Washington quite a number of times in all their classes, that there’s no way I’d fly them again in any class if they put a normally configured Icelandair 757 onto the route.
Andy
Thats a far more reasoned and sensible answer.
And further evidence that a 757 trans pond is not all as bad as it has been made out here.
By: Bmused55 - 9th March 2005 at 14:49
IMHO, the problem is not so much putting a 757 into the market (I’ve just litterally got back today from EWR on a CO 757 and it wasn’t too bad an experience), but managing passenger expectations if it doesn’t have seat back PTVs and for some reason they can’t offer the full BMI service. Having flown Icelandair too, they don’t have seat-back entertainment so to keep their standard of service BMI would have to have the interior pretty significantly reworked. Furthermore, Icelandair’s business class seats are no where near as good as BMI’s “The Business” seats, there’s no enhanced economy, and Icelandair’s economy pitch is pretty ropey, so again an interior refit should really be needed. If they don’t do that and put a 757 onto the route in Icelandair configuration, I think that they will seriously damage their reputation – I know, having flown BMI to Washington quite a number of times in all their classes, that there’s no way I’d fly them again in any class if they put a normally configured Icelandair 757 onto the route.
Andy
Thats a far more reasoned and sensible answer.
And further evidence that a 757 trans pond is not all as bad as it has been made out here.
By: bmi-star - 9th March 2005 at 14:45
With you on that one Andy!
By: bmi-star - 9th March 2005 at 14:45
With you on that one Andy!
By: Skymonster - 9th March 2005 at 14:31
IMHO, the problem is not so much putting a 757 into the market (I’ve just litterally got back today from EWR on a CO 757 and it wasn’t too bad an experience), but managing passenger expectations if it doesn’t have seat back PTVs and for some reason they can’t offer the full BMI service. Having flown Icelandair too, they don’t have seat-back entertainment so to keep their standard of service BMI would have to have the interior pretty significantly reworked. Furthermore, Icelandair’s business class seats are no where near as good as BMI’s “The Business” seats, there’s no enhanced economy, and Icelandair’s economy pitch is pretty ropey, so again an interior refit should really be needed. If they don’t do that and put a 757 onto the route in Icelandair configuration, I think that they will seriously damage their reputation – I know, having flown BMI to Washington quite a number of times in all their classes, that there’s no way I’d fly them again in any class if they put a normally configured Icelandair 757 onto the route.
Andy
By: Skymonster - 9th March 2005 at 14:31
IMHO, the problem is not so much putting a 757 into the market (I’ve just litterally got back today from EWR on a CO 757 and it wasn’t too bad an experience), but managing passenger expectations if it doesn’t have seat back PTVs and for some reason they can’t offer the full BMI service. Having flown Icelandair too, they don’t have seat-back entertainment so to keep their standard of service BMI would have to have the interior pretty significantly reworked. Furthermore, Icelandair’s business class seats are no where near as good as BMI’s “The Business” seats, there’s no enhanced economy, and Icelandair’s economy pitch is pretty ropey, so again an interior refit should really be needed. If they don’t do that and put a 757 onto the route in Icelandair configuration, I think that they will seriously damage their reputation – I know, having flown BMI to Washington quite a number of times in all their classes, that there’s no way I’d fly them again in any class if they put a normally configured Icelandair 757 onto the route.
Andy
By: G-OJET - 9th March 2005 at 08:13
If memory serves me right, it normally has around 8-9000 passengers a month in summer, about 75% loads. So a 23% reduction in capacity should see pretty full aircraft!
I think like any other scheduled, it has it peaks and troughs. When I was back in BD res, there were several weeks of the year where it was massively overbooked and you couldn’t get on it for all the tea in china.
However, like anything else, there were several times when it went with 60 or so bums in economy and no one else.
I think the 757 would probably suit the route, however, I’m still concerned that bmi have built a reputation on a consistant longhaul service on the A330 and they might loose that. Its the same with the bmi regional routes. When I joined the company, they were in the process of getting rid of all turbo props to become and all jet regional operator. Now they’re leasing in ATR’s!
By: G-OJET - 9th March 2005 at 08:13
If memory serves me right, it normally has around 8-9000 passengers a month in summer, about 75% loads. So a 23% reduction in capacity should see pretty full aircraft!
I think like any other scheduled, it has it peaks and troughs. When I was back in BD res, there were several weeks of the year where it was massively overbooked and you couldn’t get on it for all the tea in china.
However, like anything else, there were several times when it went with 60 or so bums in economy and no one else.
I think the 757 would probably suit the route, however, I’m still concerned that bmi have built a reputation on a consistant longhaul service on the A330 and they might loose that. Its the same with the bmi regional routes. When I joined the company, they were in the process of getting rid of all turbo props to become and all jet regional operator. Now they’re leasing in ATR’s!
By: Bmused55 - 8th March 2005 at 22:56
Someone suggested I do a 747.
Here it is:
By: Bmused55 - 8th March 2005 at 22:56
Someone suggested I do a 747.
Here it is:
By: David Kerr - 8th March 2005 at 22:53
If memory serves me right, it normally has around 8-9000 passengers a month in summer, about 75% loads. So a 23% reduction in capacity should see pretty full aircraft!
By: David Kerr - 8th March 2005 at 22:53
If memory serves me right, it normally has around 8-9000 passengers a month in summer, about 75% loads. So a 23% reduction in capacity should see pretty full aircraft!
By: Humberside - 8th March 2005 at 21:17
How well is IAD doing – if it isnt doing well, a B757 might be a good idea
By: Humberside - 8th March 2005 at 21:17
How well is IAD doing – if it isnt doing well, a B757 might be a good idea
By: rdc1000 - 8th March 2005 at 21:08
Perhaps it would be an Icelandair B757?
BMI are indeed talking to Icelandair about using one of their aircraft. Due to BMI’s membership of Star they are restricted to ‘Star-Approved’ sources for leased aircraft, and it appears Icelandair are one of these. If, as expected the aircraft replaces an A330 then there will be a 23% reduction in seating capacity.
By: rdc1000 - 8th March 2005 at 21:08
Perhaps it would be an Icelandair B757?
BMI are indeed talking to Icelandair about using one of their aircraft. Due to BMI’s membership of Star they are restricted to ‘Star-Approved’ sources for leased aircraft, and it appears Icelandair are one of these. If, as expected the aircraft replaces an A330 then there will be a 23% reduction in seating capacity.
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