BoB Combat Report Question

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bf162.html

Yer tiz!

SoG

Can anyone post a photo or illustration (of the 162)? Someone with the bandwidth to post it that is :rolleyes:

Pic below comes from http://avia.russian.ee/air/germany/me-162.html
I can see how a Do-17 would pass for one in the heat of battle

Also look here http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2191.htm

My copy of ‘Aircraft Recognition’ a Penguin Special by R.A.Saville-Sneath from 1941 says the jaguar was a reconaissance bomber version of the Me110, distinguished by the glazed nose bomb-aiming position. With some saxrifice of speed and range the ‘jaguar’carries up to a ton of bombs.
I presume this was a figment of the press at the time.

The Bf 110 is referred to as the Jaguar in one of the editions of Aircraft of The Fighting Powers. I can’t lay my hands on it at the moment to say which year.

AoTFP Vol1 (the wartime reprint) on page 49 refers to the Jaguar (incorrectly) as a “specially modified bomber version.” of the 110.
I ditched my original Vol 1 many years ago, which may well have had further errors. As stated previously ,the wartime Penguin Saville-Sneath “Aircraft Recognition” also was confused on the issue.

The Bf 110 is referred to as the Jaguar in one of the editions of Aircraft of The Fighting Powers. I can’t lay my hands on it at the moment to say which year.

Early RAF name for the Bf.110, intelligence on the Bf 110 was still scant early in the BoB period as Fighter Command had only recently encountered them during the Dunkirk evacuation.Why the name Jaguar was used I havn’t the fogiest as the RAF didn’t have a name for other German aircraft.

The name “Jaguar” was from the Germans themselves and used as part of a disinformation campaign using shots of the prototype Bf 162s.
The Bf 110 was a different beast. Recognition confusion helped cloud the whole issue.

Early RAF name for the Bf.110, intelligence on the Bf 110 was still scant early in the BoB period as Fighter Command had only recently encountered them during the Dunkirk evacuation.Why the name Jaguar was used I havn’t the fogiest as the RAF didn’t have a name for other German aircraft.

The report was of probably misidentified 110’s along with the reports of “He 113’s” and all the other confusion of the time.

25deg, from what I’ve read so far, I think you are correct. Prob just pilots given the wrong “gen” and mistaking a 110 or Do17 for something else.

Thanks for all your posts on this one.

Cheers

Matt Curtis

I don’t think the Bf 162 “Jaguar” ever saw action in the skies over the U.K., if it came into front line service at all. Only a very few were built and soon relegated to R&D. It was in contemporary U.K. recognition books however, ( Penguins “Saville Sneath ” AFAIK where its “glass’ nose was a recognition feature.
The report was of probably misidentified 110’s along with the reports of “He 113’s” and all the other confusion of the time.

Phew!!! Well done Matt Curtis! In all my 40 plus years a war bird nut I have never heard of this machine!!! You never know everything in this hobby – that’s what keeps me fascinated by historic aviation..

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bf162.html

I’ve just been directed to this thread…

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-698.html

Sheds some light on it.

Regards

Matt Curtis

I think ‘Jaguar’ was a (mistaken) designation for a bomber version of the Bf110.

Can’t remember where I read that but possibly a Bill Gunston work.

WA$.

At Aeroventure the other day there was a german aircraft recognition poster (in the Royal Observer Corps bit I think) – they had the Messerschmitt 110 ‘Jaguar’ which seemed to be a nickname for it, possibly based on faulty intelligence (I think it also had the infamous Heinkel 112 on it as well)

Thank’s all. SadOleGit, I thought it might perhps be an anglicisation of “Jaeger” too.

Cheers

Matt Curtis

I’m sure I’ve read/seen it somewhere in connection with Bf 110s.

As SadOleGit says, possibly it’s just an English corruption of the German term for “fighter”?

Will try and find the reference/usage tonight…

Paul F

Any relationship to “jaeger” (sp?) – meaning fighter or hunter? Sorry, I do not speak German.

SoG

Possible it was in one of David Ross’s books (on either Richard Hillary or Stapme Stapleton).

Thanks Daz. I’ve just read “Stapme Stapleton” and I dont remember seeing it mentioned there.

Regards

Matt Curtis

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A quick Google comes up with this:

http://groups.msn.com/cahsregina/1940oneofthefew.msnw

Not much help, I know, but it’s another reference to the term.

Ahhh, I have, but I’m not sure where. Possible it was in one of David Ross’s books (on either Richard Hillary or Stapme Stapleton).

I’ll have a look tonight if nobody beats me to it.