BoB wreckage?

On the ‘109, is that part of the red stripe carried on the nose of JG53 a/c, for part of the BoB, on the panel under the engine? All the illustrations I can find of JG53 a/c with the red stripe show it further back. If this is a JG53 a/c that has the stripe forward of the intake under the engine it might help narrow it down!

The top Heinkel photo is indeed the a/c you say it is. The same photo appears on p540 of ‘The Battle of Britain, then & now’.

Geoff.

And theres more – part 2

As above;)!

Flood.

And theres more!

It is my opinion that this is He111P G1+FA of KG55, shot down 12/7/40 in combat with 6 Hurricanes from 43Sqn, with 1 dead and 4 PoWs. It crashed near the ‘Horse and Jockey’ pub, Hipley.
An ‘F’ may be made out on the original to the right of the cross on the fuselage side, and there is the shield of KG55 behind the c0ckpit glazing.
Unless you know better…;)

Flood.

Originally posted by Flood
What size is the pic? Needs to be about 84k before it will fit.

As for the time – was that 1:00pm British or European; and by who’s watch did he crash at 2:35pm?;)

Flood.

It’s only 34K…..!

Times….LOL…;)

The information came from the brilliant Alfred Price book – ‘Hardest Day’, which is a fabulous eyewitness account of the days events of 18th August 1940.

Originally posted by Firebird
I’ve just scanned in a photo of Julius Neumann taken at approx 1.00pm on the 18th Aug 1940, just before climbing into his 109. He crash landed on the Isle of Wight about 1.5 hours later at approx 2.35pm,

BUT I just can’t seem to get it posted……..:mad: 😡

What size is the pic? Needs to be about 84k before it will fit.

As for the time – was that 1:00pm British or European; and by who’s watch did he crash at 2:35pm?;)

Flood.

“Coup de Grace for a 109” B: in the series “Echoes of the Home Front by John Howard Worsley

But I still don’t think the photo shows this one…

Flood.

I’ve just scanned in a photo of Julius Neumann taken at approx 1.00pm on the 18th Aug 1940, just before climbing into his 109. He crash landed on the Isle of Wight about 1.5 hours later at approx 2.35pm,

BUT I just can’t seem to get it posted……..:mad: 😡

Neumann’s own account of the force landing states that the engine packeed up competely as he tried to gain height to bale out, and he did jettson the canopy whist still airborne. Also, in his description of the crash landing, he stated that the left wing touched down first and took the force of the landing, with the aircraft spinning around to a halt. In addition, as the aircraft did not burn, he pulled out his flare pistol and fired it into the radio so as to destroy his Gruppe radio codes (which we knew already anyway:rolleyes: ), and then he retired to a safe distance, lit a cigarette and watched the aircraft burning nicely as his comrades flew over on their way back to base.

So, the aircraft in this photo doesn’t look like one that’s been set on fire by a flare pistol and left to ‘burn nicely’……..pity we can’t see the left side to see what state the left wing is in……..?

“coupled with the pilots admission that the engine seized and this one has all the blades bent (but then I don’t know if that is much help).”

Judging by the damage to the wing tip and possibly also to the fuselage spine,it’s looks as though the aircraft may have flipped over on landing,hence all the prop blades being bent even though the engine was siezed.

Found this about Julius Neumann.

What’s really touching is that in 1979 Neumann met the man who shot him down: Sgt (later Sqdn Ldr) Jim Hallowes of 43 Squadron. They became close friends until Jim’s death in 1987.

Neumann still makes visits to the UK every couple of years and makes the point of paying his respects at Jim’s Grave at Tangmere.

http://www.warbirdart.demon.co.uk/jonzon27.html

Thanks(!). There was me thinking it might be British troops (some in disguise) inspecting a Baghdad Fury in Iraq…:rolleyes:

I have been told that this is yellow 6, the Bf109E of Obltnt. Julius Neumann of JG27, which belly-landed 18/8/40 in a field near Shanklin, Isle of Wight.
Unfortunately any markings have got people standing in front of them. The references I have seen say that it had a yellow spinner – and I don’t think this one has (it looks black/white, not the dark grey that yellow would appear on this type of photo) – coupled with the pilots admission that the engine seized and this one has all the blades bent (but then I don’t know if that is much help).

Flood.

Definitely…look at the angled rear of the cockpit, the inverted engine, the gear leg coming down from under the fuselage, indicating the narrow track landing gear…

I can see uncle Willi’s fine hand all over this one….BF109.

Mark

it’s a messerschmitt 😀 😉 :p