Boeing 787 Missed Approach East Midlands Airport

They are doing well at present – so I don’t see anything wrong with ‘difficult’ contract negotiations for research funding – it possibly means they are trying to be focussed on channels of research and define deliverables within their development ‘road maps’.

No, it’s got nothing to do with that. They just have a rather different (and IMHO paranoid) view of the world compared with other organisations who fund research at universities.

But the A350XWB already has over 500 orders on the books – a great number in anyone’s books – not to mention the MoU’s signed at Farnborough this year and the options tally too.

Its true that 500 orders are nice to have.

Yet, I think I have seen them wooing GE, without success. IIRC there have been threads on airliners.net about the topic of Airbus wanting the GE option for their customers, but GE engines are not sized correctly for the A350….apparently the GEnx is too small and the GE90 is too big and GE refuses to build a new engine just for the 350, at least so far.

Only took 30 years for Boeing to finally build and Airbus :p

Like the nose shape but the best ever is the VC10….. photos of the Binliner doing its flypast at EMA in the pics section above ::rolleyes:

I think you’re right mrtotty, naming it Dreamliner is asking for it aswel.
Do you know where the name comes from?

I’m sorry but I can’t see beauty in this aircraft at all, the nose profile is hideous and the tail just looks badly proportioned to the rest of it.
I can see they have tried to keep the nose profile smooth, and while it worked well on cylindrical section fusalages such as the Comet/Caravelle, it dosen’t work well on deeper sections, the 707 stepped style was better looking.
In the video the aircraft dosen’t look too bad, but in ground shots and anything up close it looks awkward.

I reaise airliners arn’t designed to look nice anymore, and looks don’t sell aeroplanes, but I just don’t get all the fuss over this one.

The B787 has a certain je ne sais quois, I suppose. The A380 is not recognised as a beautiful aircraft either, but it looks ok in a blocky kind of way.
I would say, however, that the B787 is not a particularly striking aircraft. I suspect that with all the hype, people expect it to look much grander than it actually does.

Rolls makes great engines…and I understand pretty good cars (Yes, I know it’s a seperate company but same heritage). A friend has a nice Phantom II and I once drove a 1990s model…but I digress.

Actually, current cars branded “Rolls Royce” are largely made from BMW parts, at least as far as suspsion and engine is concerned. When you buy a Rolls Royce these days, you pretty much buy a 7er BMW with a Rolls Royce look (which is a good combination, as BMW is arguably on of the best car makers in the world).

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I never understood why Boeing never does Flight Display. Airbus does it with any aircraft, even when they are in their flight test phase. Maybe someone saw the A380 on flying display, just impressive even when you have seen it a couple of times (like I did).

See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nUPnnfXack&feature=related

It has EA-Engines, but the RR-version flies just as good.
And no, the aircraft is not specially modified for it. Any A380 could do it.

Agree about RR engines and good to see some of the old river names being re-used, Trent (Meteor turbo-prop engines) and not so long ago with the Tay (Viscount with jets).

…they are making other manufacturing companies literally go green with envy of RR’s successes.

Are you in their PR deptartment? 😀

Yes, they’re fine engines, but GE, GE and its French partners, and P&W also make very good products.

If a firm wants to stay in the commercial airliner engine business, their products better be good.

It’s the bottom line that drives airlines (okay, most airlines) purchasing decisions, nationalism takes a back seat.

see this wonderful aircraft – now you can.
Let’s get a discussion going….

I’m sorry but I can’t see beauty in this aircraft at all, the nose profile is hideous and the tail just looks badly proportioned to the rest of it.
I can see they have tried to keep the nose profile smooth, and while it worked well on cylindrical section fusalages such as the Comet/Caravelle, it dosen’t work well on deeper sections, the 707 stepped style was better looking.
In the video the aircraft dosen’t look too bad, but in ground shots and anything up close it looks awkward.

I reaise airliners arn’t designed to look nice anymore, and looks don’t sell aeroplanes, but I just don’t get all the fuss over this one.

Historically, a single engine choice has not been very successful. For example, the L1011 only offered RR engines, and only 250 were sold, vis a vis the DC-10/MD-11 which offered multiple engine types and sold 4-500 airframes. In my experience, airlines generally want competition among the engine manufacturers.

But the A350XWB already has over 500 orders on the books – a great number in anyone’s books – not to mention the MoU’s signed at Farnborough this year and the options tally too.

I am sorry to say that Rolls Royce is the one company that makes my heart sink when I see a research funding contract landing on my desk which has their name on it as I just know that contract negotiations will be “difficult”.

They are doing well at present – so I don’t see anything wrong with ‘difficult’ contract negotiations for research funding – it possibly means they are trying to be focussed on channels of research and define deliverables within their development ‘road maps’.

Uh……are you aware that PW engines have never been offered as an option for the 787?

The “optional” engine offered for the 787 is the “all new” GEnx engine offered by GE.

Apologies – yes they are GEnx with projected deliveries in 2012 (all tests going well prior to that). http://australianaviation.com.au/genx-powered-787-takes-off/

The secret is Rolls Royce continuously pour in R&D funding back into their companies and this is the simple but effective way of staying ahead of the game.

I am sorry to say that Rolls Royce is the one company that makes my heart sink when I see a research funding contract landing on my desk which has their name on it as I just know that contract negotiations will be “difficult”.

Now all we to do is wait for the A350XWB to take to the skies.

Rolls Royce have a monopoly on this plane and its doing really well orders wise. Well over 1,000 engines will need to be made at Derby to get them all airbourne. Exciting times for the UK.

Historically, a single engine choice has not been very successful. For example, the L1011 only offered RR engines, and only 250 were sold, vis a vis the DC-10/MD-11 which offered multiple engine types and sold 4-500 airframes. In my experience, airlines generally want competition among the engine manufacturers.

Uh……are you aware that PW engines have never been offered as an option for the 787?

The “optional” engine offered for the 787 is the “all new” GEnx engine offered by GE.

Now all we to do is wait for the A350XWB to take to the skies.

Rolls Royce have a monopoly on this plane and its doing really well orders wise. Well over 1,000 engines will need to be made at Derby to get them all airbourne. Exciting times for the UK.

Absolutely correct and this is in contrast to the Boeing 787 Dreamliner which awaits optional P&W engines still to be flight tested.

Hear, hear!

Rolls makes great engines…and I understand pretty good cars (Yes, I know it’s a seperate company but same heritage). A friend has a nice Phantom II and I once drove a 1990s model…but I digress.

The 787/Rolls combination will help change the way the world flies…certainly a lot greener than anything else out there.

The secret is Rolls Royce continuously pour in R&D funding back into their companies and this is the simple but effective way of staying ahead of the game.
They provide jobs for people (graduates and non graduates) interested in continously improving products – a never stand still moto.
On the flip side some manufacturing companies simply make something flog it to death and let the company go down the pan usually after the investors recoup their money along with large profits.
RR is not only making great strides in producing environmentally greener technical products, they are making other manufacturing companies literally go green with envy of RR’s successes.

Now all we to do is wait for the A350XWB to take to the skies.

Rolls Royce have a monopoly on this plane and its doing really well orders wise. Well over 1,000 engines will need to be made at Derby to get them all airbourne. Exciting times for the UK.

A leader not a follower, and staying ahead of the competition is what it’s all about.

Guys a toast to RR is called for I would say.

Hear, hear!

Rolls makes great engines…and I understand pretty good cars (Yes, I know it’s a seperate company but same heritage). A friend has a nice Phantom II and I once drove a 1990s model…but I digress.

The 787/Rolls combination will help change the way the world flies…certainly a lot greener than anything else out there.

I don’t need some stranger on the Internet to tell me to be proud of my country, thank you very much.

Apologies for offending you, there was no intention to do so.
Simply excited about the 787 and Rolls Royce and just for the record my country too.
Please feel free to delete my previous post 21 July 13:09 if it causes you or anyone else offence