Well….. for me anything good to my eyes find its way to my collection. And here is this sleek (though wide-bodied) Dreamliner which does not a bit shows off its ‘fat’ ….
here some pictures , I wud hope u guys contribute with pictures of 7E7 and if possible good links so that I can get quality pictures other than 100K limited to attachments. So expecting u guys to help me out in making my collection grow. 😀
By: Blackcat - 15th November 2004 at 18:09
Sandy
what abt the article … will i be able to get that?
By: Blackcat - 15th November 2004 at 18:09
Sandy
what abt the article … will i be able to get that?
By: Lawstud - 15th November 2004 at 16:10
The changeable Cockpit would be a great idea. If they get LH with that, why not 😉 I hope that LH is really interested and not just playing with Boeing.
Since I´ve flown twice with a LH A300 this September, I can say that they need a good replacement, soon.
By: Lawstud - 15th November 2004 at 16:10
The changeable Cockpit would be a great idea. If they get LH with that, why not 😉 I hope that LH is really interested and not just playing with Boeing.
Since I´ve flown twice with a LH A300 this September, I can say that they need a good replacement, soon.
By: Bmused55 - 15th November 2004 at 15:41
Most of that is not news, well not to me anyway. But thank you for that.. good article all in all.
One other peice of info I’ve had passed to me is the possibility of Boeing making the 7E7 cockpit interchangeable.
So that the 7E7 can have the yoke or side stick installed on the production line, depending what the customer orders.
As it is rumoured the 7E7 will be FBW anyway.. I say this may give the 7E7 a very nice appeal.
Of course… this is still just a possibility and doesn’t come directly from Boeing.
By: Bmused55 - 15th November 2004 at 15:41
Most of that is not news, well not to me anyway. But thank you for that.. good article all in all.
One other peice of info I’ve had passed to me is the possibility of Boeing making the 7E7 cockpit interchangeable.
So that the 7E7 can have the yoke or side stick installed on the production line, depending what the customer orders.
As it is rumoured the 7E7 will be FBW anyway.. I say this may give the 7E7 a very nice appeal.
Of course… this is still just a possibility and doesn’t come directly from Boeing.
By: Lawstud - 15th November 2004 at 14:32
Boeing listens as potential 7E7 buyers talk of likes, dislikes
By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter
Resisting requests from some important airline customers, Boeing is hoping it can design the proposed 7E7’s cockpit Boeing-style, not Airbus-style.
German carrier Lufthansa, for example, would like Boeing to replace its traditional steering column with a side-stick controller, standard in Airbus jets.
Offering such details, Boeing yesterday provided a glimpse of some of the clashes of interest that must be resolved to arrive at the final configuration of the new jet.
At a news briefing, two airline executives — representing some 40 potential 7E7 customers meeting this week in Seattle — displayed distinctly different levels of enthusiasm for the new jet.
“This airplane, I believe, will be a superb machine for operating with the airlines in terms of its economy,” said Peter Gardner, a vice president of Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific Airways. “To match it, the competition is really going to have to stretch out.”
Nico Buchholz, a senior vice president of Lufthansa, was more subdued. He said the initial 7E7 configuration that Boeing presented was “reasonably far from any Lufthansa requirement.”
The feedback caused Boeing to make changes. “The aircraft from our perspective has developed positively,” Buchholz said. “We still have some way to go.”
At yesterday’s meeting, Boeing presented detailed technical data to representatives of airlines and aircraft-financing companies.
Attendees will use the data to crunch numbers on fuel burn and weight applied to their own particular situations, then give Boeing more feedback.
Customers also got a look inside a mock-up of the interior of the new jet. They seemed impressed.
“You get a bit of a wow factor when you walk through the door,” said Gardner. “It will give you a completely different feel.”
He cited the sculpted interior surfaces, mood lighting, much larger passenger windows and spacious baggage-storage bins.
John Feren, Boeing vice president for customers on the 7E7 program, said the only area of wide discrepancy was over the Airbus-style side-stick versus the Boeing-style steering column.
While Buchholz confirmed Lufthansa wanted a side-stick controller, Gardner insisted with jovial vehemence that, in the end, “it won’t be a side-stick.”
“It’s something we’ve weighed,” said Feren. “We actually do have a pretty cool side-stick we’ve developed. We just didn’t think this was the time to do it.”
A side-stick appeals to airlines like Lufthansa, which have a large number of Airbus jets in their fleet and believe the stick could reduce training time. But Feren said a Boeing jet with a side-stick would not feel the same to a pilot as an Airbus jet.
“It wouldn’t have the same handling characteristics,” said Feren. “It would be a different animal.”
He said Boeing will use the 777 cockpit as a baseline for the design of the 7E7 cockpit and that it plans a three-day program to train pilots to transition from one to the other.
Still, this meeting was all about Boeing “listening to its customers.” So nothing was ruled out.
“The customer gets to decide,” said Feren. “If everybody tells us they aren’t going to buy it unless we (install a side-stick), you might get a different answer out of Boeing.”
Other 7E7 tidbits from the briefing:
• If the Boeing board gives the go-ahead for the 7E7, two versions will be launched in 2008: a long-range base model and a short-range version with smaller, thinner wings and more fuel efficiency. Gardner said the short-range variant could be “very attractive” to Cathay for services into China.
• Boeing has settled on a single landing-gear supplier for the 7E7. North Carolina-based Goodrich and Messier Dowty, a member of the Snecma Group of France, were vying for that contract. Feren did not identify the winner.
• Feren said Boeing plans to have two engine suppliers for the new jet.
Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or [email]dgates@seattletimes.com[/email]
By: Lawstud - 15th November 2004 at 14:32
Boeing listens as potential 7E7 buyers talk of likes, dislikes
By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter
Resisting requests from some important airline customers, Boeing is hoping it can design the proposed 7E7’s cockpit Boeing-style, not Airbus-style.
German carrier Lufthansa, for example, would like Boeing to replace its traditional steering column with a side-stick controller, standard in Airbus jets.
Offering such details, Boeing yesterday provided a glimpse of some of the clashes of interest that must be resolved to arrive at the final configuration of the new jet.
At a news briefing, two airline executives — representing some 40 potential 7E7 customers meeting this week in Seattle — displayed distinctly different levels of enthusiasm for the new jet.
“This airplane, I believe, will be a superb machine for operating with the airlines in terms of its economy,” said Peter Gardner, a vice president of Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific Airways. “To match it, the competition is really going to have to stretch out.”
Nico Buchholz, a senior vice president of Lufthansa, was more subdued. He said the initial 7E7 configuration that Boeing presented was “reasonably far from any Lufthansa requirement.”
The feedback caused Boeing to make changes. “The aircraft from our perspective has developed positively,” Buchholz said. “We still have some way to go.”
At yesterday’s meeting, Boeing presented detailed technical data to representatives of airlines and aircraft-financing companies.
Attendees will use the data to crunch numbers on fuel burn and weight applied to their own particular situations, then give Boeing more feedback.
Customers also got a look inside a mock-up of the interior of the new jet. They seemed impressed.
“You get a bit of a wow factor when you walk through the door,” said Gardner. “It will give you a completely different feel.”
He cited the sculpted interior surfaces, mood lighting, much larger passenger windows and spacious baggage-storage bins.
John Feren, Boeing vice president for customers on the 7E7 program, said the only area of wide discrepancy was over the Airbus-style side-stick versus the Boeing-style steering column.
While Buchholz confirmed Lufthansa wanted a side-stick controller, Gardner insisted with jovial vehemence that, in the end, “it won’t be a side-stick.”
“It’s something we’ve weighed,” said Feren. “We actually do have a pretty cool side-stick we’ve developed. We just didn’t think this was the time to do it.”
A side-stick appeals to airlines like Lufthansa, which have a large number of Airbus jets in their fleet and believe the stick could reduce training time. But Feren said a Boeing jet with a side-stick would not feel the same to a pilot as an Airbus jet.
“It wouldn’t have the same handling characteristics,” said Feren. “It would be a different animal.”
He said Boeing will use the 777 cockpit as a baseline for the design of the 7E7 cockpit and that it plans a three-day program to train pilots to transition from one to the other.
Still, this meeting was all about Boeing “listening to its customers.” So nothing was ruled out.
“The customer gets to decide,” said Feren. “If everybody tells us they aren’t going to buy it unless we (install a side-stick), you might get a different answer out of Boeing.”
Other 7E7 tidbits from the briefing:
• If the Boeing board gives the go-ahead for the 7E7, two versions will be launched in 2008: a long-range base model and a short-range version with smaller, thinner wings and more fuel efficiency. Gardner said the short-range variant could be “very attractive” to Cathay for services into China.
• Boeing has settled on a single landing-gear supplier for the 7E7. North Carolina-based Goodrich and Messier Dowty, a member of the Snecma Group of France, were vying for that contract. Feren did not identify the winner.
• Feren said Boeing plans to have two engine suppliers for the new jet.
Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or [email]dgates@seattletimes.com[/email]
By: Blackcat - 14th November 2004 at 19:01
nah… I think I’ll stick with the avatar for now
Its not the planes I have a problem with,… its airbus itself and they way they conduct business. I have been made privvy to documents that would make every ones hair stand on end in this forum
k as u say, but if u like to put that in the forum u can always do that in here.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34545
But will i be able to get that document??….. I’d want to read it, if not in post, can i get it in PM?
By: Blackcat - 14th November 2004 at 19:01
nah… I think I’ll stick with the avatar for now
Its not the planes I have a problem with,… its airbus itself and they way they conduct business. I have been made privvy to documents that would make every ones hair stand on end in this forum
k as u say, but if u like to put that in the forum u can always do that in here.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34545
But will i be able to get that document??….. I’d want to read it, if not in post, can i get it in PM?
By: Bmused55 - 14th November 2004 at 15:37
So I take it YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT UP THEN, strike that post off as inadmisssable. Good.
Oh by the way I’ve heard a number of things this morning that Boeing are doing with regard to the Tanker deal, I’ve got to be discreet about this as it could be a load of b*****ks and I dont want to end up in court! Fair enough.
Paul
Paul
welcome to my ignore list
By: Bmused55 - 14th November 2004 at 15:37
So I take it YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT UP THEN, strike that post off as inadmisssable. Good.
Oh by the way I’ve heard a number of things this morning that Boeing are doing with regard to the Tanker deal, I’ve got to be discreet about this as it could be a load of b*****ks and I dont want to end up in court! Fair enough.
Paul
Paul
welcome to my ignore list
By: beistrich - 14th November 2004 at 15:04
There is such a thing as discretion, it would be inapropriate for me to publish these documents online. It would likely get me and Key Publishing for hosting them into a lot of trouble.
I have some horrible papers about Boeing too, but you know: The troubles… :rolleyes: :diablo:
By: beistrich - 14th November 2004 at 15:04
There is such a thing as discretion, it would be inapropriate for me to publish these documents online. It would likely get me and Key Publishing for hosting them into a lot of trouble.
I have some horrible papers about Boeing too, but you know: The troubles… :rolleyes: :diablo:
By: pierrepjc - 14th November 2004 at 14:40
So I take it YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT UP THEN, strike that post off as inadmisssable. Good.
Oh by the way I’ve heard a number of things this morning that Boeing are doing with regard to the Tanker deal, I’ve got to be discreet about this as it could be a load of b*****ks and I dont want to end up in court! Fair enough.
Paul
Paul
By: pierrepjc - 14th November 2004 at 14:40
So I take it YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT UP THEN, strike that post off as inadmisssable. Good.
Oh by the way I’ve heard a number of things this morning that Boeing are doing with regard to the Tanker deal, I’ve got to be discreet about this as it could be a load of b*****ks and I dont want to end up in court! Fair enough.
Paul
Paul
By: Bmused55 - 14th November 2004 at 13:17
As someone who deals with confidential information on a day-to-day basis I understand exactly what Sandy is saying here.
Might have been more discreet not to have mentioned them in the first place, though. :diablo:
indeed :rolleyes:
By: Bmused55 - 14th November 2004 at 13:17
As someone who deals with confidential information on a day-to-day basis I understand exactly what Sandy is saying here.
Might have been more discreet not to have mentioned them in the first place, though. :diablo:
indeed :rolleyes:
By: Grey Area - 14th November 2004 at 13:09
There is such a thing as discretion, it would be inapropriate for me to publish these documents online. It would likely get me and Key Publishing for hosting them into a lot of trouble.
As someone who deals with confidential information on a day-to-day basis I understand exactly what Sandy is saying here.
Might have been more discreet not to have mentioned them in the first place, though. :diablo:
By: Grey Area - 14th November 2004 at 13:09
There is such a thing as discretion, it would be inapropriate for me to publish these documents online. It would likely get me and Key Publishing for hosting them into a lot of trouble.
As someone who deals with confidential information on a day-to-day basis I understand exactly what Sandy is saying here.
Might have been more discreet not to have mentioned them in the first place, though. :diablo:
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