Boeing 7E7

Originally posted by Interflug62M
…the modern airline industry needs both Airbus and Boeing to provide the technical and design progress as well as choice for the airlines vital to the continued evolution of the airliner.

I couldn’t have said it better myself. I like products from both companies.

Does’nt this thread prove what I have said in earlier posts that the modern airline industry needs both Airbus and Boeing to provide the technical and design progress as well as choice for the airlines, vital to the continued evolution of the airliner. Personally I lean towards Airbus products having had experience working with them, but I am not so narrow minded to suggest that they should become the only main supplier. Boeing has until recently enjoyed supremacy in terms of numbers. This has now changed but no one knows for how long. I know little about the 7E7 but its going to have to be good and it may well be that the entire future of the Boeing Co. depends on it. For the industrie’s sake lets hope they’ve got it right.

I think the uniqueness of the 7E7, in a pax sense will be the interior. More spacious, ergonomic designs.
As technology evolves to make machinery smaller and smaller, more cabin space is made available.

I would also put a bet on the 7E7 having a 2 deck feature, like the A330/340. A rear lower deck for galleys, toilets etc.
Is Branson buys the 7E7, you could bet money on him butting a bar there LOL!

But as for unique features… .who knows. Lets wait and see.

Originally posted by PhantomII
I suppose we’ll have to wait until the prototype as you say.

I wonder if, indeed the fin is dropped, what will be so “unique” about the 7E7 in terms of looks?

nothing dramatic in that case…it what i think..will just be a good economical aircarft…. much to the passengers dismay.

I suppose we’ll have to wait until the prototype as you say.

I wonder if, indeed the fin is dropped, what will be so “unique” about the 7E7 in terms of looks?

Originally posted by steve rowell
I never mentioned the A380!!!!!

Ugh!!!! I need an eye test!

I do apologise

Originally posted by Bmused55
Er, no. Two things wrong with that thought:

1. The A380 is not “dominating”
2. The 7E7 will only be about the size of a 767-300

Initial wind tunnel tests have been going on.
I’ve seen a picture of the Wid tunnel test model, the fuselage looks like the artist drawings but the Tail and Stabilisers look like the 777. So I think they’re not going with the “sharks fin”

I never mentioned the A380!!!!!

It would be a pitty if the shark fins were to be dropped… it wont show the new design on the mainframe.

Although I agree with you 100%, I do believe the Shark Fin has been dropped. The tail in that picture as a straight leading edge. The Shark fin wouldn’t. You can clearly see the entire aft fuselage resembles that of the 777, Tail and Stabilisers included.

Also, there are structural loads to think about. The Shark Fin tail would be very nigh impossible to keep in one piece in flight due to g-forces and dine resistance. The tip of it is to small and extended. Its hard to explain, but if you have a general feel for aerodynamics you’ll know what I mean.

I want the Shark fin as much as any other fan of the 7E7, but I just don’t see it happening

Anyway we won’t see still the prototype rolls out.

Something about the angle of that picture tells me they might not have dumped the shark fin idea just yet.

I certainly hope they keep it. It’s time for a new look in the airliner industry. If you think about it, jet airliners have remained largely in two categories. You have the (usually larger) aircraft with podded engines that started off with the 707 and included long-range aircraft such as the 707, 747, 777, Il-96, A300, etc. and then you have the (usually shorter ranged) fuselage engine mounted aircraft such as the DC-9, 727, Tu-134, etc.

I suppose the L-1011 and DC-10/MD-11 are in their own category, but essentially you have two different types.

All of the above (for the most part) have swept wings and tail surfaces, but there isn’t anything really eye-catching about their general designs. You have exceptions like the rather unique BAe 146 series, but that’s about it.

This new 7E7 should add a new variety to the scene so I hope they go with the shark fin look.

Perhaps its even good for aerodynamics and contributes in some small way to more effiicient speeds and operations.

Wind tunnel testing:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/k62790.html

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/k62582.html

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/k62581.html

Originally posted by steve rowell
I think this will be Boeings Challenge to the Dominance of the A330

Er, no. Two things wrong with that thought:

1. The A380 is not “dominating”
2. The 7E7 will only be about the size of a 767-300

Initial wind tunnel tests have been going on.
I’ve seen a picture of the Wid tunnel test model, the fuselage looks like the artist drawings but the Tail and Stabilisers look like the 777. So I think they’re not going with the “sharks fin”

I think this will be Boeings Challenge to the Dominance of the A330

Anyone know if they have or when they will start wind tunnel tests? Has this already been completed perhaps?

I’m a bit behind so asking to catch up.

Originally posted by Bmused55
Haven’t I been saying that throughout the thread ?!?

The 7E7 is meant as a replacement for both the 767 and 757.

With seating capacity equalt to the 767 she’ll fly further than a 767-400 it is projected.
With the Seating capacity of a 757 she’ll fly even further.
A perfect multrole aircraft.

well maybe u have…what do you want me to quote it or something?:rolleyes:

But i would want to know how efficient this machine will be.

Originally posted by KabirT
………7E7 will be a great option to replace the ageing B767s as well.

Haven’t I been saying that throughout the thread ?!?

The 7E7 is meant as a replacement for both the 767 and 757.

With seating capacity equalt to the 767 she’ll fly further than a 767-400 it is projected.
With the Seating capacity of a 757 she’ll fly even further.
A perfect multrole aircraft.

It will indeed do well. The B735 production is closing and the 7E7 will be a great option to replace the ageing B767s as well.

Originally posted by wysiwyg
…because otherwise all your sales will go to your biggest rival!

Agreed, but the 737NG is a re-hash… still selling strongly

1400+ orders for the NG series can’t be wrong.

btw, biut of trivia, to date there have been 4393 total orders for b737 aircraft since production began with 3909 delivered so far.

(www.b737.org)

Originally posted by Bmused55
If its not broken, why fix it?

…because otherwise all your sales will go to your biggest rival!

Just another example of Boeing rehashing old technology rather than moving with the times!