Bomber Command Centre struggling

I certainly wasn’t suggesting it was the cause of WW2.

Moggy

Is religion the most frequent cause of war ? I would say that the German reasons for attacking in WWII was land -resources and a resentment of how the country was crippled post WWI by the Allied reparations!

Religion is often given as a reason for war -in reality there is often a financial reason -in oil or precious resources!

A dusty corner in an old building which otherwise is devoted to the aggrandisement of an imaginary being?

I confess to having been very underwhelmed.

Yes, the towers featured large in the wartime flyers lives. They don’t today commemorate the brave men, but instead symbolise religion, the most frequent cause of war .

Moggy

I would like to point out that there is already a Bomber Command Memorial, this is in Lincoln Cathedral, together with the Memorial Books, which when dedicated was attended by many of those who survived the bombing campaign. I’m sure the educational aspect of the proposed Canwick Hill site, could be more than met by the minster. As for the a spire being seen, read any book relating to wartime flying and you will find that it is the towers of Lincoln Cathedral that are mentioned.

I’m glad that you’re able to access the site again Flying_Pencil.

It is my understanding that the stage one pass for HLF funding mainly covers the digital aspects of the project i.e. the database, Log Book scanning, education offer etc.; and very little relates to the ‘bricks and mortar’ aspects of the scheme.

As posted before I feel it is a worthy project and I will continue to support it; and I wish it well for 2015 and beyond! 🙂

:confused: http://www.lincsbombercommandmemorial.com/

Charlie – I also agree with Mike J’s comment, please see post #21; WADR you also underestimate the team behind the Canwick project and for clarity I’m not one of them!

Was an Internet outage from UK it seems. Could not get to any UK sites, but US and perhaps others no problem.

All good now. 🙂

It’s true that a number of organisations (some are charities, some are businesses and some are a mixture of the two) are doing a good job of honouring the memory of those who served but I think there is still room for a memorial that includes the names of all those who were lost.
I am guessing, but perhaps the ‘culturally significant’ bit is required to attract lottery funding.
I’m all in favour of the general East Midlands area continuing to grow as a cornerstone of aviation heritage, so onward and upward to all involved in 2015.

‘Lincolnshire Bomber Command Memorial spokesman Chris Heighton said: “It is really important that the memorial is a location of remembrance but we also want to do something that is culturally significant’

This was from two years ago -as soon as you want something that is ‘culturally significant’ the cost for some reason seems to rise. There is a fine line between memorial and
art !

In terms of what we already have that is ‘significant’ -there the the impressive 617 memorial at Woodhall Spa -the windows in Lincoln Cathedral – Thorpe Camp museum – East Kirkby (Just Jane) -the BBMF visitor centre (PA474) -Metheringham and numerous smaller memorials scattered at former airfields in the county.

There might be a perception that Lincolnshire isn’t doing a great deal to commemorate Bomber Command – I would argue that Lincolnshire as a county has done Bomber Command proud over the years.

To be fair, while there will always be different views on what would be the best way to honour Bomber Command personnel, the final interpretation will inevitably be decided by those with the drive and determination to see their ideas through to fruition. For me, the bottom line is that I am pleased that someone is making a great effort to try and provide a significant memorial in Lincolnshire.

Maybe the attitude of Canada with its ambitious recovery of Halifax NA337 set where we should be with all of this! Early bomber aircraft are incredibly badly represented in the U.K – Manchester-Stirling and Whitley paid a vital role in our ability to strike back in the early days of the war but there seems to be a perception that Bomber Command really only started when the Lancaster arrived!

Regards the memorial itself – maybe a Lancaster outline on the hillside would have had more impact – in a similar way to the White Horse !

I feel compelled to agree. As a resident of Lincolnshire (in the Faldingworth, Scampton and Hemswell triangle) thanks to a full career in the RAF, I get a bit fed up with these guys getting their way creating monuments etc.
Surely it’d be better to get those Stirling bits from Stafford and add new material until it’s complete, finish that Hampden at Cosford, and that Lancaster from Kermit???? Put them in a cylindrical glass walled shed tail to tail with the names of the 55,573 inscribed in the glass. A proper lasting and relavant memorial and the only place in the world to see the types together. Add sounds of crew in checks, and Churchill quotes and jobs a good un! Spires indeed….

Well said TO, I have supported this project from the word go, of course a lot of it is subjective as TO says, but I do feel this is a valuable opportunity and is needed, one of the most ambitious sections of this project to me is the database that accompanies it.

This could be an excellent chance to put right some of the errors made over the years and to provide a valuable research resource to visitors, so if anyone can add anything or correct anything, here’s the link http://internationalbcc.co.uk/archive?cookieComplianceCheck=1, Happy New Year, Di

Most of what is discussed on here is subjective, it always will be.

As for the ‘International’ aspect that has now come into the description, I suspect that it is intended to reflect the international make-up of the crews that flew from the area with Bomber Command.

One theme that I have picked up from the veterans (national and international) that I have spoken to is that they feel it is appropriate that something is being developed so close to where many of them flew from.

Its entirely subjective ! I knew two veterans who lived and flew from Lincolnshire – I don’t recall them ever mentioning that they felt that they needed a memorial . They had both done their service and got on with their lives afterwards including motor racing and flying . I kind of wonder when something has started out as the memorial to Bomber Command flyers who flew from Lincolnshire and expanded its role to be the International Bomber Command Memorial or words to that effect are they trying to do too much !

Maybe the attitude of Canada with its ambitious recovery of Halifax NA337 set where we should be with all of this! Early bomber aircraft are incredibly badly represented in the U.K – Manchester-Stirling and Whitley paid a vital role in our ability to strike back in the early days of the war but there seems to be a perception that Bomber Command really only started when the Lancaster arrived!

Regards the memorial itself – maybe a Lancaster outline on the hillside would have had more impact – in a similar way to the White Horse !

Twin Otter’s earlier statement: “Each of the veterans that I have spoken to about this project has been enthusiastic and wholeheartedly supportive of the project” is entirely in line with my experiences relating to the Lincoln memorial.
Ed

TO – that was not my intention at all – in fact I am convinced of their commitment.:) I was attempting to separate the possibility of committed smallish groups working in isolation from the surrounding majority who are at best disinterested. But hopefully I am wrong.

I walk 7 miles each way to east Kirkby. Never grumble and pay whatever it takes to get in. Had a lift home in a kubelwagen and a Willys jeep!

Seems like could not afford web site either.

:confused: http://www.lincsbombercommandmemorial.com/

Charlie – I also agree with Mike J’s comment, please see post #21; WADR you also underestimate the team behind the Canwick project and for clarity I’m not one of them!

TO – I expected nothing less from you – many of these pages are a testament to your enthusiasm and commitment. But it is probably fair to suggest that some projects, perhaps even the one we are discussing, are rooted more in the enthusiasm of smallish minority, than in wide all-embracing support.

I certainly agree with Mike’s point about Capel-Le-Ferne in an earlier post.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-30623914

Time to put hands into pockets again.

Moggy

Seems like could not afford web site either.

Modern day Stone Henge? Not really inspired by design.

…I am sure TO will have some encouraging facts and figures to contradict my negative concerns.:)

All of my contacts with various people behind the project (conceived in Lincolnshire by the Lord Lieutenant a few years back) have been positive and they are going out of their way to be inclusive in what they’re trying to achieve. You can get a feel for this by looking at the various pages on their website: Testimonials, News, Supporters, etc.

As for facts and figures, various economic impact figures were quoted during the recent AHL Autumn Conference, but they’re not for me to share here. I have a simple philosophy – anything positive that widens the appeal of aviation is a good thing and even more so if it is in the area local to the museum that I support.

I also fully appreciate the challenges of raising significant capital funds and grants for building projects, so if I can try to encourage support for such schemes and for what I feel is a worthy project then I feel quite proud to do so!