Brahmos

Really? News to me! Ramjets have been used to power missiles since the 1950s and don’t stop to allow the missile to manoeuvre.

I suspect that the reporter has misunderstood what he was being told. One problem with ramjets is that the motor may cut out if the flow of air into its inlets is disrupted by a sharp manoevre.

I was thinking the same , why would missile stop its engine while manouvering and start in flight , well a missile manouvers quite a lot of time if not in flight then during terminal manouvering.

I wonder if they can stop and start a liquid fuel ramjet in flight.

Bravo BrahMos
[B]Astonishingly, BrahMos performed its intricate manoeuvres at 2.8 Mach, with its propulsion fully switched on during the whole course of its flight. (Normally, when a missile performs manoeuvres, its engines will not operate.)

Really? News to me! Ramjets have been used to power missiles since the 1950s and don’t stop to allow the missile to manoeuvre.

I suspect that the reporter has misunderstood what he was being told. One problem with ramjets is that the motor may cut out if the flow of air into its inlets is disrupted by a sharp manoevre.

Bravo BrahMos

The successful flight of the BrahMos missile on March 21 spotlights India’s status as a world leader in launching supersonic cruise missiles vertically from moving warships and manoeuvring the missiles at the supersonic speed of 2.8 Mach. Launching a missile in an inclined mode is relatively easy. But lifting off vertically from a rolling and pitching vessel, climbing, turning and cruising horizontally, performing manoeuvres, and precisely hitting the target is technologically a big task. Astonishingly, BrahMos performed its intricate manoeuvres at 2.8 Mach, with its propulsion fully switched on during the whole course of its flight. (Normally, when a missile performs manoeuvres, its engines will not operate.) Another highlight was the advanced indigenous software for way point manoeuvring that enables the low-flying missile to hit a target vessel taking shelter, for instance, behind a rocky island. This was the 22nd launch of BrahMos, a joint venture product of the Defence Research and Development Organisation of India and NPO Mashinostroyenia, a space-missile enterprise of the Russian Federation. BrahMos is a versatile, two-stage missile that is nine metres long and weighs 3.9 tonnes with the canister. It has a range of 290 km. It can carry only non-nuclear warheads. With a flight record demonstrating a high degree of reliability, it has already been inducted into the Navy and the Army. India has ship-to-ship, ship-to-land, land-to-land, and land-to-ship versions of BrahMos.

Nobody in their right mind wants lethal missiles fired to kill, destroy, and inflict damage on civilian targets. Since the BrahMos missile is all about enhancing defence capability, a vertical launch from a ship has several advantages. First, it ensures the vessel’s safety because the missile is pushed out vertically and its booster engine is fired in the air, allowing the ship to move away. Secondly, the missile in vertical launch can take on a target lying anywhere in a 360-degree range. Whatever the ship’s orientation, the missile can turn in any direction to pursue the target. Thirdly, the vertical placement enables accommodation of more missiles in less space in a warship’s cramped environs. The missiles are concealed inside the ship, providing them with long and safe storage and protection against corrosion. With India declaring that it would not use nuclear weapons first against another country, BrahMos becomes a formidable and highly cost-effective defence because it can hit any attacker with speed, power, and precision. Given its fast reaction — it takes off in four minutes from the time the command is given from launch headquarters — the missile has virtually no equal in a hypothetical conventional battlefield. BrahMos is a state-of-the-art demonstration of the great advantages of Indo-Soviet, and now Indo-Russian, defence cooperation.

Seems like terrain following Brahmos is on the card at Mach speed

Different version of BrahMos to be tested

India is preparing to test a different version of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile currently deployed both in the Indian Army and the Navy.

The version for the army would be tested shortly for it efficacy to hit targets on surface after clearing natural obstruction requiring ascent and descent, defence sources said here.

The Air Force variant of BrahMos is also being prepared for test from the underbelly of a Sukhoi-MKI frontline fighter after earlier attempt to fix them under the wings was not successful.

The BrahMos, a joint venture of India and Russia, is also planning to expand its production capacity to reach a level of 100 missiles per year as against half of that number being produced at present.

At present, while India makes 25 missiles at its facilities in Hyderabad and Thiruvananthapuram. The rest of the missiles are being made by Russia there.

Off topic —But still

I always love this Brahmos video.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HDVhX7PZHg&feature=related

Me too. BTW most buildings and ground targets don’t have big ass RCS enhancers on them. 😉

my (layman’s) understanding is its both an improved seeker and a software upgrade. Software upgrade was needed to allow complex terminal maneuvers at such high speeds to exploit the increased accuracy provided by the new seeker.

Brahmos Mk2 may have gone for a new Ka band seeker to provide high resolution of small targets amongst a cluster of many , something the current X-band seeker is not capable of doing.

Here is one of the candidate of Ka/MMW band seeker for brahmos , this one currently is on the new Kh-25MAE air to surface missile and its specs are quite good

Specs of Ka band seeker

Army plans induction of BrahMos with ‘surgical strike’ option

Army is going in for a major induction of BrahMos Block-II land-attack cruise missiles (LACM), which have been designed as precision strike weapons” capable of hitting small targets in cluttered urban environments.

Sources say the defence ministry will “soon” approach the Cabinet Committee on Security, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, for the green signal to arm the Army with two regiments of the BrahMos Block-II land-attack cruise missiles (LACM).

Swift induction of BrahMos Block-II is necessary because Pakistan Army is inducting its nuclear-capable Babur LACM, developed with China’s help to have a 500-km strike range, in large numbers. BrahMos-II can potentially be used for “surgical strikes” at terror training camps across the border without causing collateral damage.

One regiment of the 290-km range BrahMos-I variant, which consists of 67 missiles, five mobile autonomous launchers on 12×12 Tatra vehicles and two mobile command posts, among other equipment, is already operational in the Army. It had earlier ordered two BrahMos regiments in the first phase at a cost of Rs 8,352 crore.

The BrahMos Block-II variant has been developed to take out a specific small target, with a low radar cross-section, in a multi-target environment.

The air-breathing missile, which flies at speeds up to 2.8 Mach (almost three times the speed of sound), of course, does not come cheap. With `multi-spectral seekers’ for `target-discriminating capabilities’, each missile costs upwards of Rs 25 crore.

Incidentally, Indian Navy too has inducted BrahMos’s naval variant on some warships, having earlier placed orders worth Rs 711 crore for 49 firing units.

While these missiles are fired from `inclined launchers’, Navy is also gearing up to induct `vertical launchers’.

This is significant since `vertical launchers’ are fitted under the warship’s deck, protecting them from the atmospheric conditions and imparting some stealth to the weapon system. It also allows the missile to be fired in any direction.

Two such modules, with 16 missiles, are to fitted in each of the three Kolkata-class P-15A destroyers being built at Mazagon Docks at a cost of Rs 11,662 crore.

BrahMos will also arm the three more Talwar-class `stealth’ frigates being built at Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad (Russia) under a Rs 5,514-crore project.

But the work on submarine and air-launched versions of BrahMos is still going quite slow. While talks with Russia are now in the final stages for BrahMos’ integration with Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, the missile will be tested for the first time from submersible pontoon launchers this year in preparation for their induction on submarines.

India and Russia have also begun preliminary work on a “hypersonic” BrahMos-2 missile capable of flying at a speed between 5 and 7 Mach, as reported earlier.

The armed forces’ eventual plan, of course, is to have nuclear-tipped LACMs, with strike ranges over 1,500 km. Unlike ballistic missiles like Agni, cruise missiles do not leave the atmosphere and are powered and guided throughout their flight path.

Cruise missiles, which can evade enemy radars and air defence systems since they fly at low altitudes, are also much cheaper as well as more accurate and easier to operate than ballistic missiles.

Was it ever made public what SCAN was?.

Not till now but the upcoming DefExpo in Feb may shed some more light.

My bet is on new Hardware Seeker ( K/Ka band ) INS and Software/Algo upgrade.

Had it just been a software upgrade there was no need to call it Block 2 and they would have upgraded all old Brahmos to block 2 standard by simple software upgrade.

They are jointly developing a follow on to Brahmos called SuperBrahmos which is a hypersonic missile.

Its more of convergence of interest and synergy in capability of respective R&D institutions in India and Russia , besides the need to keep cost under control by joint funding of program , worked well for Brahmos and that sprung up other joint programs.

What I find strange is how Russia can spend Billions on Pak-Fa/Su-34/S-400 R&D and yet can’t spend $ on a simple cruise missile:confused:

Prioritization of resources allocated. Besides, they were in different financial circumstances back then.

Well Brahmos is a JV between India-Russia , India has 51 % stake in it and Russia 49 % , both have committed to simultaneously induct the weapon in their service and export it jointly.

Russia supplies the engine and India develops the avionics/sensors suite , this helps in reduction in R&D cost because of cost sharing and synergy of their individual strength/IP into this.

The Brahmos Mk2 is something which Russian Yakhont is not yet advertised or known to do.

So whats so great about Yakhont that Brahmos is not capable of doing barring Brahmos MTCR restricted range ?

What I find strange is how Russia can spend Billions on Pak-Fa/Su-34/S-400 R&D and yet can’t spend $ on a simple cruise missile:confused:

I think there’s another reason why Russia all of a sudden wants/needs Indian help.

Can anyone provide info about the speed and handling limitations of the MKI when having Brahmos attached?

Was it ever made public what SCAN was?. Last I heard was that it was either a software tweak on the original active radar seeker – in which case no-one could explain quite how it was capable of seeker perfomance utterly impossible from the frequency band the seeker was using. Or it was an entirely new seeker head with a secondary terminal phase sensor.

Opinion seemed to be split about 50:50 as to which was the case and the official comments were so vague and tenous as to support both views simulataneously!.

One of the Variants of the Brahmos can attack land targets however so can one of the varients of the S-N-27/P-900.

It would not be a big suprise if we found out that the Brahmos JV actually used seekers from the S-N-27..

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WMRUS_ASHmis.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/alfa.htm
http://www.aviation.ru/Missiles/

There is also nothing unique about the seeker in the Brahmos land attack cruise missile see links above. The technology pre existed.

If the Brahmos is using GPS and it is one of the reasons for its accurasy it is an achilese heal and a relatively easy one for an well armed foe to take advantage off.

Than you have to learn the meaning of the word, ‘non-sense’. When you are asking questions one after another means you have to learn more about Brahmos but you are still making comments. Now that’s called non-sense.

Than you have to learn the meaning of the word, ‘non-sense’. When you are asking questions one after another means you
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Your statement is non-sense buddy. Get over it. Brahmos and Granit are of different classes. :rolleyes:

I can believe something is non-sense, and ask follow-up questions on a related topic, no? :rolleyes:

Armament: 20 Granit (SS-N-19) (R: 450 n.m; S: 2,5 mach; w: c/nuclear)
2005: planned to be refitted wih new SS-NX-26 Oniks missiles

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1739&catid=268

Armament: SSM – 24 SS-N-19 Shipwreck
planned to be refitted with SS-NX-26 Oniks/Yakhont

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1763&catid=305

Complete garbage. Oscar II is not getting any Yakhont installation. They didn’t even site a source!? (official? unofficial?)

Nakhimov, we shall find out. There has been no official news on what the new missile system will be.

Go through the early pages of this forum you will find it. The news first published in JMR than reported on other articles as well.

Why have me waste 10 minutes doing it when you can do this in 1 minute?

My only real question to you is where can I find this so-called article. . .

Calling Granit and Brahmos interchangeable is just that –> non-sense.

Than you have to learn the meaning of the word, ‘non-sense’. When you are asking questions one after another means you have to learn more about Brahmos but you are still making comments. Now that’s called non-sense.

Where did you get this idea? Really.

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Armament: 20 Granit (SS-N-19) (R: 450 n.m; S: 2,5 mach; w: c/nuclear)
2005: planned to be refitted wih new SS-NX-26 Oniks missiles

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1739&catid=268

Armament: SSM – 24 SS-N-19 Shipwreck
planned to be refitted with SS-NX-26 Oniks/Yakhont

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1763&catid=305

Could I see the article?

Go through the early pages of this forum you will find it. The news first published in JMR than reported on other articles as well.

When you as question don’t call others nonsense. That means you have to know more about the matter.

Calling Granit and Brahmos interchangeable is just that –> non-sense.

But still Russia replacing it with Oniks or Brahmos!!!! :confused:

Where did you get this idea? Really.

Brahmos has group attack mode. The news was from Jane’s. It was posted here in Keypub forum in 2005.

Could I see the article?

Non-sense.

When you as question don’t call others nonsense. That means you have to know more about the matter.

Granit is a whole different weapon. It’s twice the size of the Brahmos. It has twice the range, twice the punch.

But still Russia replacing it with Oniks or Brahmos!!!! :confused:

I also know of no “special attack” pattern that the Brahmos can do.

Does it have group-attack mode?

Brahmos has group attack mode. The news was from Jane’s. It was posted here in Keypub forum in 2005.

If Russia had a missile like Granit why they need another missile Oniks? Which has shorter range? Which is more close to Brahmos than Granit? Because Granit is old and the technology with it is getting old. Granit need to be replaced with a modern missile like Oniks and Brahmos. Now the Oniks was the base of Brahmos. Here India contributed with technologies that made Brahmos better. India had many shortcomings but wrt certain technologies we had better systems. Brahmos is the result.

Non-sense. Granit is a whole different weapon. It’s twice the size of the Brahmos. It has twice the range, twice the punch.

I also know of no “special attack” pattern that the Brahmos can do.

Does it have group-attack mode?