Brazil approves sale of 100 missiles to Pakistan

And that’s the end of this thread.

Sure, says you. Is there anyone else on this forum who has more arrogance, defiance, and shamelessness? Yet your rants are not impressive. I would like to see if you could come up with something substantial rather than behaving like a 5 years old. Whatever mess Pakistan is in, Us and its allies are squarely responsible. From supporting the dictatorships to the bringing of corrupt politicians into power. This is nothing new, same game but in a different theater. Pakistan will eventually overcome its troubles and you (and prople alike) will go to your graves with all bad wishes. Besides, is there a state which is more bankrupted than the US? guess how much debt you owe, whooping $10,662,343,053,729.86. Clearly shows that US has lost control over its financial institutions. And if the major buisnesses keep downsizing at the pace they are doing it right now, riots are not far away. Punch line is, take care of your own problems rather than commenting on others. If you have useful information to share which is relevant to the thread, go ahead, else invest your precious time in some community work to show your patriotism or join military and practically express your xenophobia.

Yes the US and allies are responsible for the state of Pakistan. They should not have sponsored terrorists like you lot in the first place. 😮

Says me. Pakistan lost control and now it is a bankrupt state wracked by continuous militant violence.

Sure, says you. Is there anyone else on this forum who has more arrogance, defiance, and shamelessness? Yet your rants are not impressive. I would like to see if you could come up with something substantial rather than behaving like a 5 years old. Whatever mess Pakistan is in, Us and its allies are squarely responsible. From supporting the dictatorships to the bringing of corrupt politicians into power. This is nothing new, same game but in a different theater. Pakistan will eventually overcome its troubles and you (and prople alike) will go to your graves with all bad wishes. Besides, is there a state which is more bankrupted than the US? guess how much debt you owe, whooping $10,662,343,053,729.86. Clearly shows that US has lost control over its financial institutions. And if the major buisnesses keep downsizing at the pace they are doing it right now, riots are not far away. Punch line is, take care of your own problems rather than commenting on others. If you have useful information to share which is relevant to the thread, go ahead, else invest your precious time in some community work to show your patriotism or join military and practically express your xenophobia.

Says me. Pakistan lost control and now it is a bankrupt state wracked by continuous militant violence.

That might be true but its not something we havent seen before. Anyways what was your point, in relation to this missile sale?

Says who? After what has been done in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Combodia, Cuba, Iran, Dominican Republic, Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Labenon, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, in the name of “Peace Keeping”, will you shut your mouth? And if you wont, I’ll start posting individual episodes with dates and details. And by the way, “Peace keepers” accept their naked involvement in all mentioned cases. There is a reason why one country is so much hated by the rest of the world. Boy there should be a limit of shamelessness. Saddam did’nt kill as many people during entire 40 years of his dictatorship (1963-2003) as many were got massacared (~1,033,000) directly or indirectly since 2003 in the name of “Op Iraqi Freedom”. Freedom? from whom? Saddam or from their own lives? Even former USSR could’nt kill as many Afghanis during 10 years of Afghan campaign. If there is only a tiny bit of honor and self respect you (or people alike) have, you would stop blaming other countries for harboring or supporting terrorism.

Says me. Pakistan lost control and now it is a bankrupt state wracked by continuous militant violence.

“To cancel this deal would be to attribute terrorist activities to the Pakistani government.”

Then cancel it. Or has the ISI never supported terrorism?

Name one secret service of any country that has NOT supported “terrorism” in the name of the “In the best interest of the country”. From destabilizing and overthrowing the democratically elected governments to the plotting homicides of the heads of the states to the fabricating of Gulf of Tonkin-like incidents to wage war to lying shamelessly in the UN about WMDs.

Pakistan is a unique case, it has taken its embrace of terrorists to the extreme and now it is paying the consequences as it progressively looses control of its own territory and its economy implodes.

Says who? After what has been done in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Combodia, Cuba, Iran, Dominican Republic, Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Labenon, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, in the name of “Peace Keeping”, will you shut your mouth? And if you wont, I’ll start posting individual episodes with dates and details. And by the way, “Peace keepers” accept their naked involvement in all mentioned cases. There is a reason why one country is so much hated by the rest of the world. Boy there should be a limit of shamelessness. Saddam did’nt kill as many people during entire 40 years of his dictatorship (1963-2003) as many were got massacared (~1,033,000) directly or indirectly since 2003 in the name of “Op Iraqi Freedom”. Freedom? from whom? Saddam or from their own lives? Even former USSR could’nt kill as many Afghanis during 10 years of Afghan campaign. If there is only a tiny bit of honor and self respect you (or people alike) have, you would stop blaming other countries for harboring or supporting terrorism.

I am not taking any sides, merely saying that we should not look each at event in isolation. Pakistan has accused India of terrorist activities in Pakistan too; there was a RAW agent on death row in Pakistan some time ago for carrying out bombings.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/pakistan-to-reconsider-death-penalty-for-alleged-india-spy_10028834.html

India has also been sponsoring Balochi separatists

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C11%5C28%5Cstory_28-11-2008_pg7_14

Again my point is that Mumbai attacks didn’t come out of the blue. Both countries have been trying to get one up on each other. They could join forces and work for the development of the entire region.

I am not sure what moral high ground western nations have any more in these terrorist attrocities, they were arming Saddam, dealing with these same jihadis to hurt Soviets and calling Mandela a terrorist back in time.

Pakistan is a unique case, it has taken its embrace of terrorists to the extreme and now it is paying the consequences as it progressively looses control of its own territory and its economy implodes.

Pakistan has sponsored numerable terrorit groups and provides safe havens to others. Pakistan is a terrorit state whose terrorist activities are bringing it to the brink of state failure.

I am not taking any sides, merely saying that we should not look each at event in isolation. Pakistan has accused India of terrorist activities in Pakistan too; there was a RAW agent on death row in Pakistan some time ago for carrying out bombings.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/pakistan-to-reconsider-death-penalty-for-alleged-india-spy_10028834.html

India has also been sponsoring Balochi separatists

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C11%5C28%5Cstory_28-11-2008_pg7_14

Again my point is that Mumbai attacks didn’t come out of the blue. Both countries have been trying to get one up on each other. They could join forces and work for the development of the entire region.

I am not sure what moral high ground western nations have any more in these terrorist attrocities, they were arming Saddam, dealing with these same jihadis to hurt Soviets and calling Mandela a terrorist back in time.

Pakistan has sponsored numerable terrorit groups and provides safe havens to others. Pakistan is a terrorit state whose terrorist activities are bringing it to the brink of state failure.

Most of the terrorists established themselves during the Afghan Jihad when Ronni Regan used to invite them to white house and proudly say “i am mujahaideen”. I am not surprised you conviently failed to mention that part.

As far as support of non-state actors goes everyone in south asia has done it one way or the other and will keep doing it in future (i dont see a reason why would they stop).

Your Pakistan at brink theory i have heard for years now and it is quite boring. The way things are i think you’ll probably take this wish to grave.

P.S: If you really think Pakistan is a terrorist state then it’s a big shame for United States for having ties with it.

Not relevant to this thread but,
Both countries have been blaming each other for everything since independence. I hope they break this cycle and work for regional peace. As far as India’s allegations go, majority of Pakistani’s think they are fabricated. Terrorism is a common problem now and both should solve it together.

Just today a second Indian was arrested for these attacks, its not all Pakistan based groups. They had a lot of local help too. Hopefully we will see all the truth in due time, as investigations progress.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Kolkata_/SIM_probe_Clues_to_2_more_linkmen/articleshow/3815964.cms

Pakistan has sponsored numerable terrorit groups and provides safe havens to others. Pakistan is a terrorit state whose terrorist activities are bringing it to the brink of state failure.

Fair point… but…

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/09/india.attackers/index.html

Cool heads will be needed over next few weeks or things could get out of hand.

Not relevant to this thread but,
Both countries have been blaming each other for everything since independence. I hope they break this cycle and work for regional peace. As far as India’s allegations go, majority of Pakistani’s think they are fabricated. Terrorism is a common problem now and both should solve it together.

Just today a second Indian was arrested for these attacks, its not all Pakistan based groups. They had a lot of local help too. Hopefully we will see all the truth in due time, as investigations progress.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Kolkata_/SIM_probe_Clues_to_2_more_linkmen/articleshow/3815964.cms

Fair point… but…

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/09/india.attackers/index.html

Cool heads will be needed over next few weeks or things could get out of hand.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/07/pakistan.violence/index.html

http://www3.serbiancafe.com/lat/vesti/14/55509/pakistanski_ekstremisti_zapalili_96_saveznickih_vozila

96 NATO trucks (inc up-armoured HumVees) and scores of other supplies headed for Aliance forces in Afganistan have been destroyed in attack on in Peshwar. 200 Militants have been killed in the attack as well as unknown number of Security forces.

Those Brazilian missiles could not come sooner… :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I think international community and US are slowly loosing patience with Pakistan… 😡

Not to mention India is on the brink of retaliatory strikes… 🙁

To be fair they do have a border to the east aswell, you cant expect them to ignore that and concentrate all resources on Taliban. Its for them to decide how much resources to spend on which threat.

As far as the international community is concerned they are really between a rock and a hard place, strike pakistan and you will push over the majority of liberals into an uneasy antiwestern alliance with the terrorists. Maybe in this complicated scenario patience and dialogue is the name of the game.

Looking at this deal from an air force’s perspective, I don’t think its importance should be underestimated. I assume this ARM would equip PAF’s JF-17 (most likely) and possibly Mirage. We have also heard about PAF’s interest in A-Darter (though chinese are also working on their next gen WVRAAM). Now Mektron is involved in R&D of A-Darter with Denel, and the latter has been involved in a number of PAF projects, i.e. H-2/H-4. A recent article from Defence News also indicated that the refuelling kit on PAF fighters (Mirage/JF-17) might also be of South African origin. I think this missile purchase might lead to more purchases in the future.

The MAA-1 Piranha AAM in Wanshans post No12 apparently has the seeker unit of the earlier Darter’s already.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/07/pakistan.violence/index.html

http://www3.serbiancafe.com/lat/vesti/14/55509/pakistanski_ekstremisti_zapalili_96_saveznickih_vozila

96 NATO trucks (inc up-armoured HumVees) and scores of other supplies headed for Aliance forces in Afganistan have been destroyed in attack on in Peshwar. 200 Militants have been killed in the attack as well as unknown number of Security forces.

Those Brazilian missiles could not come sooner… :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I think international community and US are slowly loosing patience with Pakistan… 😡

Not to mention India is on the brink of retaliatory strikes… 🙁

Looking at this deal from an air force’s perspective, I don’t think its importance should be underestimated. I assume this ARM would equip PAF’s JF-17 (most likely) and possibly Mirage. We have also heard about PAF’s interest in A-Darter (though chinese are also working on their next gen WVRAAM). Now Mektron is involved in R&D of A-Darter with Denel, and the latter has been involved in a number of PAF projects, i.e. H-2/H-4. A recent article from Defence News also indicated that the refuelling kit on PAF fighters (Mirage/JF-17) might also be of South African origin. I think this missile purchase might lead to more purchases in the future.

Technology on MAR-1 is far ahead than bubble’s Shrike, for god’s sake…

Don’t understimate brazilean military industry, they indeed have some good things, in the late 90’s US banned the export of some related ARM seaker head elements, brazilean developed themselves.

MECTRON has a very good R&D basis. Not world premium standard, but they’re making impressive results.

Indeed, the Brazilian industry as a whole is not to be underestimated. In terms of external configuration, the MAR-1 reminds me of an ALARM without the parachute compartment, if anything. Maybe the Brit connection was more direct and official than a “captured” Shrike?

http://www.alide.com.br/artigos/rac07/imagem/rac07_81.jpg

http://www.alide.com.br/artigos/rac07/imagem/rac07_84.jpg

great find Wanshan!

I could not find anything on this missile at all online.

use babelfish.altavista.com : portugese > english

great find Wanshan!

I could not find anything on this missile at all online.