Brazil judge orders U.S. citizens fingerprinted

i guess CNN just answered my question this morning….it’s electronically scanned by DHS at the airport….

Originally posted by Primer55
That’s a whole different situation. When you arrive in a foreign country you expect to be welcome, not to be taken to a special room by a FBI agent to be fingerprinted and photographed with those numbers in the front of your chest. 😉

Regards,
Primer

Is that what they really do these days? :confused: :confused: I don’t know…i’ve always thought that you need to submit your finger prints at the American consulate (or embassy) in your home country…could be wrong.

Originally posted by SOC
Ah, but do you feel like a criminal when you are fingerprinted and photographed to get your ID card? 😀

That’s a whole different situation. When you arrive in a foreign country you expect to be welcome, not to be taken to a special room by a FBI agent to be fingerprinted and photographed with those numbers in the front of your chest. 😉

Regards,
Primer

Originally posted by Primer55
Yes, our ID cards have finger prints…The deal about being fingerprinted and photographed when you are arriving in one country is that this make you make feel that you are being treated like a criminal. 😉

Regards,
Primer

Ah, but do you feel like a criminal when you are fingerprinted and photographed to get your ID card? 😀

Originally posted by SOC
As far as taking Brazil off the list of VISA-required countries, I wouldn’t know anything about that since I have no clue what drives the placement of a country on that list :confused:

What our government wants isn’t to take Brazil off the list of VISA-required countries, but that our citizens don’t need to be fingerprinted and photographed when arriving in the US.

Originally posted by Vortex
Does Brazilian ID cards (or driver’s license, don’t know what you guys have) have finger prints or do you need to get scanned when you get one? What’s the big deal anyways with finger prints? Many countries require it for VISAs…

Yes, our ID cards have finger prints. And BTW, we have thousands of document cards down here: driver’s license, ID card, Army’s reservist card, physical person signing, voter card, etc… The deal about being fingerprinted and photographed when you are arriving in one country is that this make you make feel that you are being treated like a criminal. 😉

Regards,
Primer

What is the use to put fingerprints on a visa anyway? It’s not like your visa application is going to be compared with the stuff the phorensics guys dug out of Tora Bora. Neither do i have to leave my fingerprints when i go to the hardware store to buy a knife.

AFAIK, visa are just a nice way to collect extra nice stamps in your passport (sod the US and Russia, their visas are torn out when departing!) and -for the country concerned- both an entrance fee and an ineffective way of pretending to care who visits the country.

Spoken to you by someone who had gotten his Ukrainian (transit-)visa by handing over a xeroxed mugshot not being his own, by someone who had gotten his Serb visa on a discount because “It doesn’t make sense that a visa for an American is cheaper than mine”… i can go on, and then start adding other people’s stories too.

Besides, you can save yourself a lot of hassle by avoiding customs at all. If the fee is good, i can be your tourguide at Frankfurt, Orly and Schiphol :rolleyes:

Security works, until you know better.

What a absolute waste of time.

What terrorist who knows he has been fingerprinted is going to pretend to be from a country that needs a VISA to get into the US? All he needs to do is when he gets his false documents make sure they are from a country that the US doesn’t require VISAs for and he will completely evade this expensive and time consuming measure. Once the US has all of these fingerprints they will likely try to use this information for other things… imagine the fun when some idiot accidently makes a mistake with your fingerprints… you were in the US on the way to Europe and a mistake gets you on the FBIs most wanted list. How amusing it would be if an Al qada agent gets the job of maintaining that database… during the cold war a Soviet agents main goal was to be head of counter intelligence so they could hunt themselves… and of course not be very successful. The potential for bribery and corruption is interesting too… of course not even considering false fingerprints.

Does Brazilian ID cards (or driver’s license, don’t know what you guys have) have finger prints or do you need to get scanned when you get one? What’s the big deal anyways with finger prints? Many countries require it for VISAs…

Originally posted by Flood
No way. I get too much spam as it is without several trillion gig of American criminal records sitting on my hard drive:mad: 😡 :mad:!

Flood.

No dummy, I mean send the files to the government offices controlling immigration and entry, not to you directly :rolleyes:

Besides, the records from one county in one state would probably detonate your inbox anyway 😀

Originally posted by Primer55
SOC, I do agree that commentary was absolutely unnecessary but I don’t see any reason to not let Brazilians out of this once there aren’t terrorist groups in Brazil. It’s a lot easier to find an American fighting for Al-Qaeda than a Brazilian (we have a lot of other things to worry about than how to bomb a US target).

Regards,
Primer

Eh, you’re entitled to your opinion like everyone else is. Just because someone has a disagreement is certainly not a good enough reason to stop sharing it! 😀

As for the issue at hand here, I’d bet this came about as a direct result of 9/11. Some politicians probably figured that since the dumbass INS gave VISAs to the “pilots”, that it would be a good idea to check everyone with a VISA since the INS obviously has no idea what it is doing.

If Brazil wants to do the same thing, no problem, but saying they’re only doing it because a few of their citizens might be affected by a security policy, which we have every right to implement by the way, is totally asinine and vindictive. Again, we didn’t single Brazil out, they just happen to be on the list of countries we require a VISA from.

As far as taking Brazil off the list of VISA-required countries, I wouldn’t know anything about that since I have no clue what drives the placement of a country on that list :confused:

Quid Pro Quo

Dear FBI,

In the spirit of joint cooperation. Flood has volunteered to vet all U.S. people traveling to Brazil. Please send all corespondence to him.

😮

Originally posted by kfadrat
but they are not going to send them files to your inbox :p .

BTW, how’s the teddy ? I’ve been away for a while now .

Ha – sez you! One little mistake and anyone could get it sitting in their mailbox!

And teddy mk3 is fine – mk 2 went missing (I am hoping Anna has him, as a little piece of me…:)), and mk 1 is living it up as a pair of gloves, a hat, and as a shot-animal trophy on somebodies wall:mad: – the barstewards!

Flood.

Hi guys,

I’ve just watched the news and they were showing the Americans that are arriving here and being fingerprinted and photographed are reacting with good humor. They don’t like it, but they do understand what this is all about. Their only complaining is that they do have to wait a bit too much to leave the airport.

SOC, I do agree that commentary was absolutely unnecessary but I don’t see any reason to not let Brazilians out of this once there aren’t terrorist groups in Brazil. It’s a lot easier to find an American fighting for Al-Qaeda than a Brazilian (we have a lot of other things to worry about than how to bomb a US target).

Regards,
Primer

but they are not going to send them files to your inbox :p .

BTW, how’s the teddy ? I’ve been away for a while now .

Originally posted by kfadrat
isn’t that what e-mail is for ? 😉 .

No way. I get too much spam as it is without several trillion gig of American criminal records sitting on my hard drive:mad: 😡 :mad:!

Flood.

Originally posted by SOC

Yeah, that might be a good idea, until you get a few million files in the mail 😀

isn’t that what e-mail is for ? 😉 .

BTW, u have PM .

Starting January 5, citizens of countries such as Brazil who need a visa to enter the United States will be fingerprinted and photographed when they pass through immigration at major U.S. airports and seaports.

Personally I don’t see the big deal here, it’s not like we singled Brazil out or anything.

The procedure is meant to identify people who have violated immigration controls, have a criminal record or belong to groups the U.S. government lists as terrorist organizations.

It’s obvious our immigration control is less than perfect, so if this is a good solution, where’s the problem?

The checks will not be carried out against citizens of 27 nations who do not need a visa to enter the United States.

Ah, there’s the problem. Just make everyone get a tourist Visa, stop giving them to terrorists, and get over it.

“I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis,” said Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva in the court order released on Tuesday.

:rolleyes: Oh, the brutality :rolleyes:

Since – like Australians – the vast majority of Americans are surely guilty of something or other, couldn’t the US authorities just forward their criminal records to all the nations of the world?

Yeah, that might be a good idea, until you get a few million files in the mail 😀

I wouldn’t let them in personally. What with their lame beer and corn-fed burger-monkeys.

Since – like Australians – the vast majority of Americans are surely guilty of something or other, couldn’t the US authorities just forward their criminal records to all the nations of the world?:D 😀 😀
Seems the easiest thing to do;)!

Flood.