March 27, 2005 at 11:48 am
Hi everyone,
Can anybody please supply the exact code numbers for these paints used on British aircraft during the war?
I want the Federal Standard number that was the equivalent of BS241 RAF Dark Green as applied in US factories supplying aircraft to the UK (like the Hudson, etc)
Also what is the British Standard BS 381c code for RAF Trainer Yellow? This colour was used on all British and Commonwealth trainers, from Tiger Moth to Oxford to Magister, to Harvard, etc? Does anyone know the BS 381c code please?
By: funhouse - 28th March 2005 at 01:27
Hello Dave,
some wartime colours still exist in the British Standards paint range, and as such must match the original standard. So it may be worth while contacting them.
http://www.bsonline.bsi-global.com/server/contact.jsp
Just a thought.
Dave
By: Dave Homewood - 28th March 2005 at 01:11
Thanks guys. That’s cleare up the green, but the yellow is a puzzle.
I already had the FS 33538 number, but surely there must have been a British number? Or was all trainer yellow paint sourced from the USA??
Aircraft like Tiger Moths, Magisters, Oxfords and many others were made in the UK. Surely they must have used locally sourced paint which would have come under the British Standard?
What do they use these days? At Shuttleworth, IWM, and other collections? Do you have the paint mixed to a BS 381c number? Or do you actually use a FS 595 standard when getting the supplier to mix the paint? I always found it odd I cannot find the BS number.
Thanks anyway guys.
By: jerry brewer - 27th March 2005 at 20:45
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Hi
Dooh,
yur right didn’t read the table caption,
in that case the only reference to yellow is FS 595 33538
my apoligies for the mix up.
cheers
Jerry
By: jeepman - 27th March 2005 at 16:54
just a point – I think the 170 & 171 are stores references relating to 4 pint and 1 gallon tins of a matt yellow cellulose paint, the 178 & 179, are stores references relating to 4 pint and 1 gallon tins of a matt yellow synthetic paint, and 344 is the stores reference for a 5 gallon tin of matt yellow synthetic paint.
Therefore these are probably all supply variations – in terms of tin size and/or composition- of the same Identification/Trainer Yellow.
The yellow primer is probably some sort of zinc chromate primer.
By: jerry brewer - 27th March 2005 at 15:03
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Hi
SAM C&M No:2 pg 85 lists :-
dark green BS381c No241 – FS 595B 34079
states pg 88
later in the war , the bulletin 41 colour, dark olive green replaced dark green on american aircraft supplied to britain under lease lend .
sorry no info on trainer yellow , it just quotes six yellows,
170/171 , matt cellulose paints
178/179 , matt synthetic paints
344, matt synthetic paint
213 yellow primer
hope it all helps
cheers
jerry
By: Dave Homewood - 27th March 2005 at 14:59
Thanks Jeepman
By: jeepman - 27th March 2005 at 12:15
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This might be a good starting point…
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm
as might this…
http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/bs_381c_colour_chart.htm
I don’t think that trainer yellow has a BS381c equivalent, possibly because 356 golden yellow, was as near as damn it.
The man to speak to on the equivalent colours used on US export aircraft such as the Hudson is Dana Bell – he has written what is probably the definitive monograph on the subject entitled Aviation Color Primers No. 1: US Export Colors of WWII
HTH
sk