British Commercial aircraft types – postwar

There was also the Westland Wessex 60 civil version of the Wessex

Jetstream 41

Garry

twin engine feederliner…ugly. Cunliffe-Owen Concordia.

Yep alertken, Easty and Garry that’s the one.
Garry, have added the Belfast due to it’s important civil career. Also added the Avro C.19 – they were built for civil customers. IMHO the Nene Viking is still a Viking? (The Tudor underwent a similar transformation)
D1566, I think the Wayfarer can be regarded as a development of the 170.
dailee, point taken and HDM 105 removed.
keith and garry – Lincolnian added.

I think that has answered everyone so here is the current version of the types list. Maybe tomorrow start a new thread using it to list what is still around.

Anyone got strong opinions about not including single-engined types?

BRITISH POST WAR COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT (multi-engined, fixed wing types)

Airspeed Consul
Airspeed Ambassador
Armstrong Whitworth Apollo
Armstrong Whitworth Argosy
ATL Accountant
ATL Carvair
Avro York?
Avro Lancastrian
Avro Lincolnian
Avro 19
Avro Tudor
Avro Ashton
Avro 748
BAe ATP
BAC 1-11
BAC/Sud Concorde
Beagle 206
Blackburn Universal
Bristol Brabazon
Bristol Freighter
Bristol Britannia
Britten Norman Islander (early only)
Britten Norman Trislander
Cunliffe Owen Concordia
DH Comet
DH Dove
DH Heron
DH Trident
DH 125 (early only)
DH/BAe 146 (early only)
Fairey Rotodyne
HP Halton
HP Hermes
HP Herald
HP/Scottish Aviation Jetstream
Miles Aerovan
Miles/HP Marathon
Miles Merchantman
Percival Merganser
Percival Prince/President
SARO Princess
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer
Short Sandringham
Short Solent
Short Sealand
Short Belfast (ex military)
Short Skyvan
Short 330/360
Vickers Viking
Vickers Viscount
Vickers Vanguard
Vickers VC.10

Roger Smith.

I reckon that was the missing one Roger was thinking about and I’ve been trying since to think of:D

How about the Nene Viking the first Jet airliner when it carried pax to Paris?.

Garry

Just beat you to that one 😉

twin engine feederliner…ugly. Cunliffe-Owen Concordia.

What about the Cunliffe Owen Concordia? first flown in 1947

Yep Keith

I have seen pics of both Lincolnians.

Garry

Whilst talking Avro …. a quote from Wiki ???

Two Lincoln IIs were operated by D. Napier & Son Ltd. for icing research from 1948 to 1962.

A transport conversion of the Lincoln II, using the streamlined nose and tail cones of the Lancastrian and a ventral cargo pannier, was known as the Avro 695 Lincolnian.

One Lincoln Freighter converted by Airflight Ltd was used on the Berlin Air Lift by Surrey Flying Services Ltd. In addition, one Argentine example was converted to a Lincolnian by Avro at Langar. Four Lincolnian conversions by Field Aircraft Services for use as meat haulers in Paraguay were not delivered and subsequently scrapped.

Over 50 Avro 19s, civil version of the Anson C19 were produced at the end of the war.

Garry

Miles HDM 105

If you include the Miles HDM 105, this was only a proof of concept aircraft for the HDM106 light freighter. Beagle had no interest in the 106 and the design rights were sold to Shorts where it became the Skyvan, leading to the Shorts 330 and Shorts 360

The HD Aerovan was a conversion of M57 Aerovan G-AJOF with the wooden wing replaced by an Hurel-Dubois designed high aspect ratio wing. It first flew on 31st March 1957 but was severely damaged following a heavy landing at Shoreham on 28h June 1958 when the tailboom of the aircraft failed at the hinge line and the aircraft taxied in with the empennage dragging along the ground

Was the Bristol Wayfarer sufficiently different to the Freighter to warrant a mention?

Hi Roger

You didn’t comment on my mention of the Belfast??

Garry

There are two or three types that have undergone extensive development (and change) over the years – yes Jon the Jetstream is one but also the DH 125 and DH/HS/BAe/Avro 146.

I thought it would be easier to lump the variants together – although the addition of a third engine, etc to the Islander did, IMHO, make it a different aeroplane??

I’m sure there is a small, twin engine feederliner from the ’50s I’ve missed?? Like the Accountant only one built and ugly.

Roger Smith.

What about the BAe Jetstream 31 (HP.137) and 41?

Jon

My comment about the Envoy should, of course, have read Consul.

Garry, was thinking originally of not including helicopters but the Rotodyne bridges a gap between fixed and rotary wing types. The Sycamore, Widgeon (and I guess the Westminster) also fall out as single engined types.

……And I assume that the Jetstream 61 would come under the Avro 748.

:confused::confused:
Trislander added though.

I guess I should add the BAe ATP??

Roger Smith.

Is the Trislander missing or does that count as an Islander variant? And I assume that the Jetstream 61 would come under the Avro 748.

Fairey Rotodyne.military serial but civil tested
Bristol Sycamore
Westland Widgeon……..their own adaption of the Dragonfly
Short Belfast was offered as civil but no sales but did have a longer civil career than a military one and one still flies.

These are all aircraft but are you thinking more of aeroplanes?

Garry

How could I have missed the gorgeous Ambassador 😮 , yep the Universal.

Roger Smith.

OK yep complete list

Airspeed Ambassador
Blackburn Universal…..Beverly differed from the prototype which wass offered for civil use.

Garry

Sorry Garry – thought a starting point would be a complete list of commercial types to show also what is missing. Can’t see anyone ever filling the “gaps” though ie building the likes of a replica Halton 🙂

Moggy the Optica is single-engined – don’t know whether including single-engined types will confuse the list with “private” rather than “commercial”

megalith at this stage I thought of excluding cockpit sections – “larger” elements (eg Comet fuselage at London Colney) would be included. De-militarised aircraft I thought could be included if the type was also built for civil opreators (eg Prince). what do others think?

Missed the Airsped Envoy?

Roger Smith.