British is best – nearly

Oh, right. Sorry.

I think I’ll keep an open mind on the subject of disability claimants or any other sort of claimants.

Nil Road Fund Licence

No, No, These are cars which are registered as ‘Disabled’ and get free Road fund licence regardless of their co2 emmissions. Now i know there are genuine claimants, i dont doubt it, my mate Lenny is one of them, hes crippled up with Arthritis and associated ailments, but if you hang around and look at the types of folk who are driving these cars then i’m not generalising by saying they are certainly of a certain ”type” i wont elaborate further! Or to further my point, theres a chappie down my road who i know for a fact has a motabilty car but he actually puts a little white label over the ‘nil’ amount on his RFL disc so as to hide that fact hes got exemption! Happy to claim it, not so happy to divulge it!

next time your missus is in the shops and youre really just not interested and fancy a wander, just have a look on the tax discs in peoples cars and see how many are nil ££

I can’t say I’ve ever noticed this.

Are you sure it’s not because the cars concerned emit less than 100g/km of CO2? I don’t pay tax on my car for that reason.

Certainly top with single parent families and divorced/separated couples!!

I see quite an interesting pattern emerging on this subject. There are many ‘hand wringers’ and ‘whingers’ who constantly harp on about the decline of this once Great Britain.

Well, in some respects at least, we are most emphatically not in decline. We’re on the up and up; at the forefront; developing new and interesting concepts of aid to the world’s downtrodden masses and claiming our place at the top of the world’s league tables of misery and social deprivation.

Some might query as to whether this is necessarily a worthwhile achievement. I say damnation to the doubters and naysayers. I’m sure that most of you will agree, that it’s far better for this nation to feature at the top and clear of the rest of the field rather than languish as ‘also rans’ although some might comment; for entirely the wrong reasons.

We’ve covered fraudulent benefit and broken homes, can anyone add anything else to this would be social Olympic fest? Highest number of schoolgirl pregnancies? Last time I looked we were top in Europe !

And that 200 million I believe is only a fraction of what we give,

I think the original budget, which was “ring-fenced” you will recall, was £7.5 billion!!! Just think what we could do with that added to the £9 billion net we donate to the EU.

And now this….

“Britain hit by £10bn tax credit fraudsters, claims Duncan Smith
Taxpayers have lost at least £10 billion to illicit welfare claimants and fraudsters from “around the world” targeting Britain’s tax credit system, the Work and Pensions Secretary claims.”

then Ascension should do.

Queen Elizabeth land is now open for business 😀

And that 200 million I believe is only a fraction of what we give, not just to India…..it should all cease until our homeless and poverty striken are no more..

If we can’t afford all the things we are running, why for the size of the Country are we still running 4 parliaments and the civil service baggage x4 to run them…
Give them the referendum and the choice of full independence, if they refuse, close them and move it back to London.

Road tax office, onto fuel, gets rid of the avoidance at a stroke, frees up court time, empties cells and cuts out the beurocracy and cost associated with it.

Immigration, straight back to country you came from, no persecution you are running from in France…. No Docs, then you will be held on an Island off the top of Scotland until Docs are found, if made independant, then Ascension should do.

Let’s be quite clear on that.

Thats the problem John there are far too many grey areas in this country. Nothing is as clear cut as we all would like. Thats why so many users get past the system.

That is correct. No new commitments as from now and all aid ends in 2015 saving £200 million. I agree with others here that the whole foreign aid budget should be reviewed, to make sure that the aid can be justified and that if so it goes to where it is needed and not into the pockets of pseudo-democratic rulers.

While we’re in debt, any foreign aid is unacceptable. Instead of borrowing the money to give to other countries, we should be using our diplomatic ties to be encouraging others to give.it summarises the current mess we are in, spending what we don’t have.

But, in my opinion governments have no business giving our money away. People should be encouraged to give to worthy causes, but not being given a choice is sickening.

For all those quick to express outrage at the thought of denying the genuine disabled their benefits, our gripe is not with the well deserved it is aimed at all those who milk the system ruthlessly and fraudulently. Let’s be quite clear on that.

The problem is that no government of any shade has set out to deal properly with the situation.

Our present gang of tossers are waging a propaganda campaign which attempts to label all benefit claimants as users, the action being a well thought out plan from that arch tactician IDS :rolleyes:, let’s just cut every-one’s benefit that way we’ll get the scroungers.

The reality is that it will be much more likely to hit those in real need, the fiddlers are too well versed in all the dodges to get caught so easily, I feel that benefit fiddlers are exactly the same calibre of person as the wealthy tax dodgers, not much progress there either.

It gets even better ! I now understand that Britain is fourth in the world league table of broken homes. That is, where there is just one parent living full time with the children and supporting the family.

We’re just behind Belgium, Latvia and Estonia. So, a way to go then. And still, one hears people reluctant to admit that we are a ‘broken society’.

For all those quick to express outrage at the thought of denying the genuine disabled their benefits, our gripe is not with the well deserved it is aimed at all those who milk the system ruthlessly and fraudulently. Let’s be quite clear on that.

That is correct. No new commitments as from now and all aid ends in 2015 saving £200 million. I agree with others here that the whole foreign aid budget should be reviewed, to make sure that the aid can be justified and that if so it goes to where it is needed and not into the pockets of pseudo-democratic rulers.

India

Was it not recently in the headlines that we(UK)stop giving aid to India in 2015?David Cameron also said recently that it is right and proper we should help poorrer nations!So why has the UK a problem with the economy!

Yup! Stop some of this foreign aid. Some of it goes to hateful muslim nations who really want us dead. (We westerners are unbelievers and therefore soul-less and worthless.) So we are giving money to our enemies, like Somalia. Do they respect us for that? God no. When a muslim terrorist finally manages to let off a nuke on western soil we will maybe get real.

But most of our ring-fenced foreign aid actually goes to India. Why? No one really knows. India has a space program and a nuke program. It just ordered over 3bn on new helicopters and attack planes. Yes there are people who die of povety on the streets of india because their country is one of the most bigoted around. Their class system is the caste system. They believe millions of their people are born into low-caste families because their souls are somehow less valuable. I think we should not be giving a penny to such a nation when it squanders its money on nukes and space missions and war-mongering, and at the same time lets its own people starve.

We are all in this money shortage mess thanks to the assh*le bankers and their gambling addiction and inbred corruption while they are still paying huge payouts to the very assh*les who are at the top of this monetary pile of dog crap. They are the people we should be angry at.

So whether its India or the West the real enemies are those who are at the top of the pile because they do whatever they need to do to us to keep at that top table. And most of these scumbags do not identify themselves with a red spot between the eyes!

Rant over here too!

Nothing against payments to the disabled from me, ask anyone of them, would you like free car tax, benefit allowances, or your health, and I can assure you 99.999999999 % of people would want their health.
My gripe is spending my taxes propping up other countries with Aid… As long as a single person in the UK is living in squalor, hunger or poverty, or even worse, living on the streets… then not a single penny of our taxes should be going abroad as Aid. It should be spent at home aiding those of our unfortunate citizens who need it, and I’m not speaking illegal immigrants either.

Rant over…

There are hundreds of way to cut back on spending but most goverments are not keen to cut back because it would make them unpopular. Hard decisions have to be made.

Quite true and this government hasn’t started – spending will be more next year in real terms than under the last year of the Brown government.

Like so much of the bureaucracy of the Brown years disability is a complex subject. The more complex a system the easier it is to defraud. Rather like the tax system, discussed elsewhere. The entire welfare/credit structure needs top to bottom reform and simplification. That in itself will save billions in administration. And the same parallel with the tax system applies.

Guys,

Certainly no threats coming from my direction and as for a warning well certainly not what I meant. Perhaps I should choose my words more carefully in future as I fear they are being taken the wrong way.

As for spouting facts and figures I for one have little need fo those facts and figures and have had to live with disability in my life for the last 16 years in one form or another.

Because of a minority of scroungers what most of you are suggesting with the tightening up of the rules would see a lot of well deserving cases overlooked. I have seen it all happen before during the last set of rule changes.

I also would like to see thed rule breakers caught and denied what they think they are due but again how would you interpret a disabled person having a good day compared to a bad day. Lot of varibles and good folks would get overlooked because of the wrong uns.

How about we look at the millions of pounds we lose to benefits every year having to deal with all the imigration cases we get each year. Sucessful and no sucessful?

There are hundreds of way to cut back on spending but most goverments are not keen to cut back because it would make them unpopular. Hard decisions have to be made.

A few facts from the DLF, to chew over….

People with disabilities

There are over 6.9 million disabled people of working age which represents 19% of the working population.[1]
There are over 10 million disabled people in Britain, of whom 5 million are over state pension age.[2]
There are two million people with sight problems in the UK.[3]
Families with disabled children

There are 770,00 disabled children under the age of 16 in the UK. That equates to 1 child in 20.[4]
Only 8% of families get services from their local social services.[5]
It costs up to three times as much to raise a disabled child as it does to raise a child without disabilities.[6]
Disability and employment

There are currently 1.3 million disabled people in the UK who are available for and want to work.[7]
Only half of disabled people of working age are in work (50%), compared with 80% of non disabled people.[8]
23% of disabled people have no qualifications compared to 9% of non disabled people.[9]
Nearly one in five people of working age (7 million, or 18.6%) in Great Britain have a disability.[10]

There’s no need for a warning Merlin; this subject is probably close to us all in one way or another. Neither was it felt heated, at least until your unwarranted warning which did turn the gas up a bit.
As said, there are people receiving benefits in a legitimate and most deserving way. And, because they try to be self reliant and have pride and don’t relish asking for benefits, are the ones who find the “hoops” placed in front of them at every step. Conversely, the scroungers do have all the time in the world, have no pride or self-respect and are more than happy to take the lot without even a thought as to who may be paying for it. These I have no truck with. I have come across them a few times and, where possible have reported them to the authorities for blatant fraud where I have seen them in a half marathon and also on a mountain trek, totally incongruent to their reported disability.
A very emotive subject to be sure but when I, and many others, shout disability scroungers down, we do mean the fraudsters and not the genuine people.
Richard