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British Jetliners 1 – TRIDENT and VC-10

British Jetliners 1 – TRIDENT and VC-10

The history of post-war British airliner manufacture was one of government interference and bullying and of the two State Airlines having too much say in what was to be built. The two State carriers BEA and BOAC got the best route licences but were only allowed to buy British aircraft. This meant that the independent carriers had an unfair, hard time making money while the two state airlines never did make money (!) until force-merged into BA in 1973. Only when BA was privatised did it go into the black – and it needed new Boeing fleets to do that.

This meant that British airliner makers had a choice: Go for lucrative contracts to supply BEA and BOAC their planes or make aeroplanes for general airline use across the world (this market was mainly Europe and South America).

The only successful British airliners were built for this second general category although both types were consequently purchased by BEA (The Vickers Viscount first flew scheduled services with Air France and the BAC 1-11 was originally built for BUA and two American carriers).

All airliners built specifically for BEA or BOAC were commercially unsuccessful as most other airlines didn’t have the same route structure or needs as these two airlines. To be fair, BEA and especially BOAC were tasked to support routes to commonwealth destinations exactly as had the pre-war Imperial Airways. So neither the British state airlines nor the British aircraft makers supporting them had a fair chance at making money.

HAWKER-SIDDELEY TRIDENT

The Trident was not a commercial success as it didn’t fit the requirements for European carriers – it was specifically designed

for BEA’s lower passenger per flight projections. Sadly once the jet was introduced into service in 1964/65 BEA changed its mind

and like Europe’s airlines it also decided it needed a larger aircraft. Everyone wanted the bigger and more powerful Boeing 727.

BEA was refused the Boeing jet so the Trident 3b was the cheapest British alternative. The drawing board concept jet – a fat BAC 1-11 – called the BAC 3-11 was turned down as the Trident was already built and a 3b new variant was only a year away whereas the BAC 3-11 was a several year project. The Trident fleet was the mainstay type with BEA taking over from the Viscount from 1965.

Tridents were mainly sold to the state airline; BEA. Independent British carrier Channel Airways had 2 series 1E jets which went

to BKS Air Transport when Channel sadly went under.

BEA Trident tails
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BEAtrident-tailssarah-1.jpg

BKS Air Transport Trident 1e at Heathrow 1969
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/197011.jpg

Iraq Airways Trident 1c leaving Hotel stands Heathrow 1972
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/197123.jpg

The last Trident 1C in the BA fleet at ‘BEA’ base.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BritishAirwaysTrident1Cgarpolhr83sarah.jpg

The Trident 2 was arguably the nicest looking of the series with its longer wings.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BritishAirwaysTrident2gavfnlhr82sarah.jpg

The Trident 3b with extra forth tail engine in place of GPU unit.
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The end if the Trident jetliner at ‘BEA’ base where many of the Tridents were scrapped.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BritishAirwaysTrident2gavfalhr84sarah.jpg

VICKERS VC-10

The VC-10 was BOAC’s British counterpart for the Boeing 707. The tail-mounted jet’s cabin was advertised as queter than the 707, and was probably the UK’s most glamourous and elegant airliner (Yes Concorde, but we didn’t build it by ourselves, the French built the toilets).

BOAC wanted to buy the Boeing 707 but the government said ‘must be British’ so the beautiful VC-10 was designed. But it was late
coming into service due to design delays so BOAC was allowed to purchase a small fleet of early-model Boeing 707s to tide them
over while awaiting the new jet. The Boeing 707 was so liked, and it fitted so well into BOAC’s routes that they purchased more
later in the 1960s and the type stayed with the airline well into the 1970s (and into 1980 as cargo jets).
BOAC generally used the Standard VC-10 on the ‘Empire’ routes with the leased 707s usually flying the trans-Atlantic routes.
In the meantime the Standard VC-10 was introduced 1965 by BUA, and BOAC and a special variant was ordered for the RAF too. Two

years later saw the Super VC-10 and this jet was really beautiful with a stretched fuselage and uprated RR Conway jets. BOAC used the Super VC-10 fleet alongside the 707s on trans-Atlantic routes. In 1979 the remaining BOAC Super VC-10s were finally withdrawn from passenger services and sold to the Royal Air Force. The Supers were converted to air refueling tankers and are only now – in 2011 – facing final retirement at RAF Brize Norton.

The VC-10 was not much used by other airlines although some commonwealth states operated single examples of the jet in the mid
1960s (i.e. Nigeria Airways, Ghana Airways) and MEA operated a couple too. The Emerates state operated a single example standard VC-10 for a while in the 1970s. The most prolific non-UK user of these aircraft was East African Airways who replaced their Comet 4s with a small fleet of Super VC-10s in the late 1960s. EAA had one of the most lovely liveries for the Super VC-10 and they also had a fifth engine pod under the inboard starboard wing at the root. This allowed them to carry a spare engine to any EAA VC-10 that had an unserviceable engine.

Super VC-10s at British Airways maintanence base in about 1979 shortly before they were WFU.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BritishAirwaysSVC10sgasgplhr80sarah.jpg

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BritishAirwaysSVC10sgasgplhr802sarah.jpg

BOAC VC-10 in 1966 livery by Caz. This was the livery that replaced the BOAC-Cunard markings when Cunard went to Eagle Airways.

This livery was followed by the ‘classic’ BOAC markings.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BOACVC10-1101g-arvmlhr67caz.jpg

BUA were the first to take delivery of the Standard VC-10 – beautifully pictured here at Gatwick in 1968 by Caz
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/BUAVC10G-ARTAgatwickcazcaswell.jpg

East African Airways Super VC-10 closeup on the RR Conway engines with arrow extending from no.2 – Heathrow hotel stands.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/EAAEastAfricanSVC10taillhr76sarah.jpg

RAF Super VC-10 Tanker on short finals at Brize Norton in 2009 – The RAF VC-10 fleet is shortly due to be retired. These Super

tens are the former British Airways jets built in about 1966/67 so they are now very old ladies. If you want to photograph the

last of the British Jets this is the time to get up to Brize before they are gone forever.
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/raggidoll/aviation/RAFVC-10Tanker2.jpg

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By: TRIDENT MAN - 24th June 2011 at 09:41

Is that an L1011 in the distance behind G-AWZU? If so, what airline did it belong to?

It is an ex Air Ops L1011…

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By: cockerhoop - 24th June 2011 at 08:06

the offset nose wheel was a typical querk of 1950s UK design, bit like the Britannia beautiful looking aircraft spoilt by the cockpit window arranngement, really looked better after Canadair put their modifications on it. going back further the comet too, lovely plane futuristic for late 40s, but then they stick a 1930s tailplane on it!!!!!!!!!

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By: EGTC - 23rd June 2011 at 19:56

Is that an L1011 in the distance behind G-AWZU? If so, what airline did it belong to?

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By: 69bertie - 23rd June 2011 at 15:45

Lovely thread and thanks for the reminder. As mentioned that VC10 livery in the BOAC colours was really lovely to look at. As it says, a classic. I can still remember, when I was about 10yrs (1963), standing along the perimeter fence at Gatwick in line with the runway. A VC10 took off, the noise was indeed deafening but on rotation it didn’t take off as normal but just went straight on up, disappearing rapidly into the low clouds. Even to this day, although fighter jets do it all the time, I have never seen a commercial jet do that. My father worked at Vickers on VC10’s.

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By: TRIDENT MAN - 3rd June 2011 at 18:55

The Trident had 32 inch pitch and the fuse is 12ft 1.5ins….

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By: longshot - 3rd June 2011 at 18:25

Did the Trident have the same width cabin as the 727? I remember a BEA Trident seeming really cramped…what seat pitch did they go down to in Economy?

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By: Culpano - 3rd June 2011 at 18:18

Neil, I never realised that the Trident was operated in the Air China livery, looks pretty good. Still prefer the old CAAC myself:)

Hee hee it’s exactly the same livery as now. What a great thread. Love the Trident !

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By: MSR777 - 2nd June 2011 at 08:49

Both our company and the competition used this aircraft for our air bridge training at STN. She was also utilised for towing practice by our ramp crews. Glad that something of her survives.

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By: TRIDENT MAN - 1st June 2011 at 20:23

I’ve got a safety card off of that beast

Me too,as well as a BA jigsaw of Concorde while scrapping it…:rolleyes:

Photo taken on day one of scrapping….btw the cockpit section is stored for preservation.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1351/4598259913_1f462e8e31_z.jpg

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By: MSR777 - 1st June 2011 at 15:14

One more Trident, G-AWZU seen shortly after its arrival at Stansted, still complete.
S.B.

I’ve got a safety card off of that beast:)

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By: TRIDENT MAN - 1st June 2011 at 05:21

Indeed shortly after arrival…..Speys and booster still fitted.BA removed them all for the 1-11 fleet (Spey).

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By: HP81 - 31st May 2011 at 21:35

One more Trident, G-AWZU seen shortly after its arrival at Stansted, still complete.

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/Jetmech_photos/My%20Early%20Stansted/27S-Trident-3B-G-AWZU-Stn-5Mar86.jpg

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By: waghorn41 - 30th May 2011 at 21:18

CAAC Trident

Seen here in service at Kai Tak

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By: Peter de Zeeuw - 27th May 2011 at 19:56

Good evening,

Here are two photos of VC-10s used by non-British airlines.

1, A4O-VK of Gulf Air, seen at Schiphol on April 28th, 1977.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/474/19770428a4ovkvickersvc1.jpg

2. 7Q-YKH of Air Malawi, seen at Schiphol on June 1st, 1977.
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4332/197706017qykhvickersvc1.jpg

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By: VeeOne - 23rd May 2011 at 01:34

I took this photo at Xiaotangshan Aviation Museum, Beijing, China last November….

Ken

Good to know it is not just westerners who feel these aeroplanes need preserving! This must be a military Trident passed over from CAAC when it was a state carrier? Nice.

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By: VeeOne - 23rd May 2011 at 01:14

Wasnt the offset nosewheel to do with the volume of CAT III landing electronics equipment that was required in the forward nose ?

That would make sense.

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By: by738 - 22nd May 2011 at 16:54

Looks well preserved. Its only when you see it at that angle that you see how big todays high bypass fans are, compare that with even a 717. Its like a hairdryer, albeit that sounded like a NASA rocket.

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By: Flanker_man - 22nd May 2011 at 15:24

I took this photo at Xiaotangshan Aviation Museum, Beijing, China last November….

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/china_2010_files/day02_043.jpg

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By: MSR777 - 22nd May 2011 at 15:22

Sarah, and any other members who may be interested, here are some of my models, just follow the links. Apologies to mods if this is too far off topic, I’m sure you’ll remove if so.

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/other-scales-antique-models/94529-some-my-models-1-a.html

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/other-scales-antique-models/94530-some-my-models-2-a.html

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/other-scales-antique-models/94508-some-my-airbuses.html

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By: MSR777 - 22nd May 2011 at 15:12

That would be nice to see. I like the Vanguard. I like the big windows.

I remember those models in travel agents when I was a child. I flew to Le Touquet back in about 1994 and in the booking out office where you have to file a flight plan to cross the channel there was an original display model of a BEA Trident in red square livery, just sitting in a corner gathering dust. I wonder if it is still there?

hmmm. I thought about pinching it as it was obviously so uncared for. But we would have been arrested at Lydd! LOL!

A great coincidence Sarah, it was seeing a BEA Trident in a travel agents window when I was about 6yrs old, that got me hooked. Despite the fact that my Dad booked our hols at that agency, they could not part with it as it belonged to the airline and not too them. I believe that was the case with the bulk of those types of model. Well, I didn’t manage to get an identical BEA Trident until around 2 years ago! It now sits with my 60 or so other travel agency type models, and I love ’em all. I did get given a few when I was still in the industry, but I think you did the right thing in leaving that Trident in Lydd:)

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