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Buchon with the Reg N48157 in the 70th years

Hello,

I try to find out a bit more of the history from the HA 1112 S/N 235 (current reg. as N109GU or NX109GU).
I have found this accident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=44945&key=0
Got someone a photo of this plane before this accident? I dont know the colors, numbers, camouflage.

Is the plane flyable or is it grounded? In the last years I was not able to find a picture outside of the hangar.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Hispano-HA-1112-M1L-Buchon/0575268/M/

One of the last known pictures of the flying plane, possible in 1997:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4610

Thanks for help.

David

Update: I was able to find a text about the history.
http://www.caa.co.uk/aandocs/20330/20330000000.pdf

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By: chumpy - 9th June 2009 at 22:22

Digging through some old photos came across this shot of JZZ, on rebuild at Sandown..early part of 1987.

In the background is Fairey Battle R3950, seem to recall Charles Church acquired this with a possible view to getting it flying. But subsequently flogged in on, now in the museum at Brussels.

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By: Falcon109 - 4th June 2009 at 16:22

Hi Septic,

nice photos of the C.4K-172. It seems that the plane got the dark brown patches for the Whitehall Theatre display.

On the formation flight pic the C.4K-172 is only a “black 4” and not a “black 14”?!

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By: Septic - 3rd June 2009 at 23:46

I’ve come to this thread relatively late, over the next few days I’ll have look through my archive for G-BJZZ…..

Falcon 109, the crash landing shot just look at those perfect prop blades!!

This first photograph shows the aircraft in the Whitehall Theatre of War in around 1983.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/whitehallBuchon.jpg

This second shot was taken in either 1989-90 at the superb Classic Fighters display. By this time the aircraft had been rebuilt for Charles Church, If I remember rightly the pilot was the late Reg Hallam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/G-HUNNweb.jpg

This last shot was taken at Biggin Hill in 1990.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Biggin90.jpg

Regarding the Buchon models.

1:72 Pegasus. Short run injection kit, pretty poor when you look at it now but reasonable 25 years ago. Hard to find kit now.

1:72 Classic Plane. Short run injection kit. They made various Ha 1112 M1L, Spanish and Battle of Britain Film colours, they also did the two seater and Ha 1112 K1L in the film markings of Stern von Afrika. Should still be possible to find via this website.

http://www.classic-plane-mrr.de/index_e.html

1:48 Hobbycraft injection kit available in both Spanish and Battle of Britain markings. Should still be able to find one on ebay etc..

1:48 Academy injection kit, I believe this is a re boxed hobbycraft kit. still easily available.

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By: DazDaMan - 3rd June 2009 at 18:10

Thanks for the photo, chumpy.

This means the plane got the paint sheme with the “red 14” (see the link) between the August 1987 and July 1989. Was the plane painted with this camo for the The Tuskegee Airmen movie? I dont remember the camo of the 109s in this film.

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=3976

No, it wore the paint scheme in one of the photos I posted for The Tuskegee Airmen.

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By: T J Johansen - 3rd June 2009 at 09:35

Hello,

I think you mean this photo?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sushidel/44082910/

Yea, this can be the Buchon G-BJZZ after the accident at Biggin Hill. The photographer write the photo was taken at Duxford, and the hangar looks like Duxford?!

Not the photo I’m talking about. The one in Air Classics shows the Buchon in Tulsa in 1977 after Bill Harrison ground looped the a/c.

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By: Falcon109 - 29th May 2009 at 09:18

Mark, now Im confused. Was this situation real or Photoshop-made?
Some parts of the photo looks real (tail wheel, main gear) other parts looks unreal (prop blades).

@Fouga23: Many Buchons, now and in the past, got imho bad paintings and markings. The current paintings of the Daimler Benz powered 109’s are mostly better. Possible a part of bad research. In my opinion the Buchons need a real historic restoration back to the status when they was used at the Spanish Air Force. That means the remove of the BoB film modifications and Spanish camouflages and markings. Buchons with Merlin engine and German camo are just eye catchers with they “big” swastika on the tail. 🙁

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By: Mark12 - 29th May 2009 at 08:34

Hey Mark12 – A useful tip there!

Where do I find that pixel elimination application/button in Photoshop, can’t seem to find it on my copy… :D:D:D

Paul F

It is next to the button that simulates a wheels up landing. 😉

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By: Chad Veich - 29th May 2009 at 02:55

In response to the original question, the aircraft was flyable when acquired by Cavanaugh (From Sherman Aircraft Sales) but is no longer flown. From what I’ve read Cavanaugh have no intentions of returning it to the air but I suppose nothing is final.

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By: Fouga23 - 29th May 2009 at 00:48

Thanks for the photo, chumpy.

This means the plane got the paint sheme with the “red 14” (see the link) between the August 1987 and July 1989. Was the plane painted with this camo for the The Tuskegee Airmen movie? I dont remember the camo of the 109s in this film.

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=3976

That font used for “14” just looks SO wrong 😮

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By: Falcon109 - 29th May 2009 at 00:08

Thanks for the photo, chumpy.

This means the plane got the paint sheme with the “red 14” (see the link) between the August 1987 and July 1989. Was the plane painted with this camo for the The Tuskegee Airmen movie? I dont remember the camo of the 109s in this film.

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=3976

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By: chumpy - 28th May 2009 at 19:19

‘JZZ also spent some time at the now defunct ‘Whitehall Theatre of War’ in central London. Remember going there in December 1983, a rather dark and bizzare set up I seem to recall!

JZZ spent 2 years on rebuild at Sandown, arriving August 1985. The attached shot taken just before her departure in August 1987.

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By: Yak 11 Fan - 28th May 2009 at 19:06

Didn’t Dick Melton Aviation grow out of the Charles Church Collection, Dick Melton was CC’s Chief Engineer.

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By: DazDaMan - 28th May 2009 at 18:19

Was she not maintained by DMA prior to sale to Cavanaugh?

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By: Falcon109 - 28th May 2009 at 18:18

I think I have a leak in my time table…

I got the information that the plane was used by the “Dick Melton Aviation”. It must be between Charles Church and Jim Cavanaugh?! I got this photo and it was taken at a La Ferte Alais airshow, but I dont know the year.

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=532

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By: maverik61 - 28th May 2009 at 18:08

There used to be a nice 1/48th kit from HobbyCraft, with options for a Spanish-marked aircraft and a Battle of Britain aircraft.

The kit was really nice – I built three of them, but don’t have any left! 🙁

There was a nice little 1/72th kit available a few years ago – nice, but lacking some details.

wilco’ cheers i’ll Look out for these kits.
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By: DazDaMan - 28th May 2009 at 18:07

talkin of Buckhorns any models makers brands.kits.
i never found any.
terry

There used to be a nice 1/48th kit from HobbyCraft, with options for a Spanish-marked aircraft and a Battle of Britain aircraft.

The kit was really nice – I built three of them, but don’t have any left! 🙁

There was a nice little 1/72th kit available a few years ago – nice, but lacking some details.

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By: DazDaMan - 28th May 2009 at 18:05

was this plane in film ‘Battle Of Britain” my grandad worked on this film and I was in the film too small part at the very end as a kid.
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Taxiing airframe only, used in Spain.

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By: maverik61 - 28th May 2009 at 18:05

Buckhorns model kits

talkin of Buckhorns any models makers brands.kits.
i never found any.
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By: Paul F - 28th May 2009 at 17:53

Hey Mark12 – A useful tip there!

Where do I find that pixel elimination application/button in Photoshop, can’t seem to find it on my copy… :D:D:D

Pete – My long-gone Zenit EM also threw an occasional double exposure, but none as poignant as yours. Just a shame the Buchon wasn’t in European theatre colours… As you say, as an accidental double exposure that one does somehow “work”.

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By: Mark12 - 28th May 2009 at 17:23

About 30 years ago, I happened to wander into Duxford, I recall that it wasn’t a properly established museum then, or the day that an airshow was taking place.
What I seemed to be aware of was that Robs Lamplough, and I must have been told that by a passer by, was about to attempt to take off in a Buchon, or to me, a Bf109. I’d never seen or heard a ‘real’ German fighter in flight before and was quite a thing to anticipate seeing. I recall that the take off and landing was very dodgy, particularly the landing.
I took quite a few pictures with my Zenit-E of what was to me, a momentous occasion, however, I can’t find them and I’ve been looking for years for the prints, what a sad loss, but they must be somewhere. I have, however, found this double exposure, which is actually quite interesting as it shows as well a silver Sally B, you’ll have to work out whats what, but I thought that you might find it interesting, and in a way, a little ironic.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo101/petetruman/scan0048.jpg

I reckon that film must have some great pictures on it of DX in the old days, I shall have another search.

I can fix that with the pixel elimination programme then reversal with photoshop. 😉

Mark

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/Album%204/BuchonImagePeterArnold03-001.jpg

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