Bugatti Model 100

Wasnt me that called it a ‘Butterfly Tail’ James 😉
I had seen the ‘Y’ config and contra props.
But it is still extremely close coupled.
Assuming the c of g is somewhere between the engines,there is virtually no keel area aft of the wing.
I was thinking about low speed/landing/take off handling,and the complication of the contra prop drive shafts/gearbox.
She is quite pretty in an unconventional way,but I would also imagine that the visibility from the pilots seat would be somewhat limited.

rgds baz

Bager 1968
I did realise it was a ‘Y’ tail by the way,above is a quote from my post after the one you quoted from re the fin /stability etc 😀

Well, here’s another that didn’t fly… 😉

And the R/C model…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukhIiQbhoU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2PQEdH8d-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_IA9SsYXlk&feature=related

Planet Satellite – Roy Fedden

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1947/1947%20-%201881.html

Hmmmm….somebody forgot the Fin 😀

I certainly wouldnt want to fly it in that configuration 😀

Here is a better view of the inverted vertical fin (complete with rudder).

This very futuristic-looking aeroplane is the kind of shape I, as a bored teenager, might have doodled during school/college lessons

A couple of interesting points: on the video I think is the inference a ‘spying’ facility may have been built into it. Also is the reference to the two Bugatti 50B engines – converted by Bugatti for use on the Racer. Quote: “The two original 50Bs still exist, and Wilson and Carlson have seen one of them – in South Carolina. The other is in England.” Anyone know whereabouts? I’ve looked and it is not in the BAPC engines list but, I guess, it is likely to be in a automobile museum/collection.

Roger Smith.

Thanks baz – I DID search but this thread didn’t come up!!! Too much of the hard stuff maybe?? 🙂

There is currently a large R/C Model of this flying and it apparently flies very well, i will see if i can find a pic:)

I’ve seen this plane hanging from the roof a number of times when I go to Osh for the EAA show and it is one strange looking bird!! to me it looks like one mans fantasy, It sure doesn’t look like it would fly……………

It is a very unconventional aircraft design – with a lot of 1930s theoretical calculation and little actual data about its anticipated performance and characteristics.
I doubt you’d get invited. It was designed as a world speed record breaker, not to have benign handling. More relevant is the fact it was fitted with counter rotating propellers – one factor in the requirement for keel area. The tail surfaces are actually a ‘Y’ not a ‘V’, and are more in proportion than one would realise at a glance or even from plans.

I’d love to see one fly – even with German engines, though I don’t think Ettore would approve of that power-source.

Cheers,

Wasnt me that called it a ‘Butterfly Tail’ James 😉
I had seen the ‘Y’ config and contra props.
But it is still extremely close coupled.
Assuming the c of g is somewhere between the engines,there is virtually no keel area aft of the wing.
I was thinking about low speed/landing/take off handling,and the complication of the contra prop drive shafts/gearbox.
She is quite pretty in an unconventional way,but I would also imagine that the visibility from the pilots seat would be somewhat limited.

rgds baz

An absolutely incredible family. Beautiful sculptors and designers. To be able to transfer the ideas formed from a lifetime of working in a traditional medium to the new-fangled art of motor mechanics and automobile design, and then having the skill to make them work together without compromising their beauty……just stunning.

It is a very unconventional aircraft design – with a lot of 1930s theoretical calculation and little actual data about its anticipated performance and characteristics.

seriously though…it is a very shallow vee
I seriously would not want to fly a powerful a/c with that tail configuration.
even conventional tailed a/c historically have tended to be designed with insufficient fin/keel area.

I doubt you’d get invited. It was designed as a world speed record breaker, not to have benign handling. More relevant is the fact it was fitted with counter rotating propellers – one factor in the requirement for keel area. The tail surfaces are actually a ‘Y’ not a ‘V’, and are more in proportion than one would realise at a glance or even from plans.

I’d love to see one fly – even with German engines, though I don’t think Ettore would approve of that power-source.

Cheers,

Thinking you would need some excellent headphones and air conditioning!

Also maybe anti vibration mountings for your seat sir 😀
Hmmm…fairly complicated drive system/gearbox.
Not sure I would like 2 prop shafts whizzing round next to my elbows.
I bet the vis from the cockpit is erm…limited 😀

basv are you taking the urine? It has what we old folk know as a ‘butterfly tail’ also observed on the Beechcraft Bonanza of earlier times.

:D:D
seriously though…it is a very shallow vee
I seriously would not want to fly a powerful a/c with that tail configuration.
even conventional tailed a/c historically have tended to be designed with insufficient fin/keel area.

rgds baz

Hmmmm….somebody forgot the Fin 😀

I certainly wouldnt want to fly it in that configuration 😀

basv are you taking the urine? It has what we old folk know as a ‘butterfly tail’ also observed on the Beechcraft Bonanza of earlier times.

Thinking you would need some excellent headphones and air conditioning!

Would that help longitudinal stability then ?? 😀

Thinking you would need some excellent headphones and air conditioning!

Hmmmm….somebody forgot the Fin 😀

I certainly wouldnt want to fly it in that configuration 😀

No apologies necessary for resurrecting this thread, the Bugatti Model 100 will fly probably next year or at least a replica of it will. Two builders from Oklahoma have already constructed the fuselage and are now in the process of fabricating the wings. The engines will probably be BMW’s.

http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=45761359001

… and

http://home.uni-one.nl/bugatti/revue3/rev3-2.htm

http://home.uni-one.nl/bugatti/revue4/plane.htm

Christer

http://www.bugatti-trust.co.uk/trains-boats-planes/bugatti-planes.shtml

may also be of interest.