C150 share for sale Cranfield

Playing with Cu-nims

Hmm, an interesting thought, trying to outclimb CBs. Still, I guess maybe something like an SU27 or MiG29 may do it, but for the rest of us, AIC 72/2001 (Pink 22) has some good advice, from the AIP website! Personally, I shall stay the recommended 10 miles away, even though I can fly without “sight of surface & clear of cloud”.

Steve.

PS Thanks for the link, Martin, a good wheeze…

I couldn’t even tell you what the landing fees are but ARE INCLUDED in the £50/ hour, so no extra expense. I reckon they are about £15 but that’s for non based aircraft. Good look with the test.

Even better, it’s outside ready to go!!!

Ah 🙂

Rusting, you mean? 😮

Moggy

Steve, we have a sliding scale of qualification. 100 hrs P1 takes about 40 minutes checkout with an instructor. Less than this involves more dual time.

Martin, got your pm, thanks. Really just making preliminary enquiries at the moment, as my Skills Test is still to be done (but frighteningly close now). Once that’s done I’ll be looking to join a group, but as I say, I’m really just testing the water at the moment.

Out of interest, what are the landing fees like at EGTC these days?

Moggy – I saw the Colt share on the board at MASF. Surprised no-one’s snapped that up yet. Does your group and / or insurance have a minimum hours / minimum experience requirement?

Even better, it’s outside ready to go!!!

Moggy – I knew someone could beat it!! But is your monthly £80??!!!……

Nope. Just £60.

Does yours include pole position in a hangar so that you can always access it without shuffling other aircraft? :p

Moggy 🙂 🙂

Steve – no minimum hours required. Just a check ride with an instructor who is also a share owner.

Moggy – I knew someone could beat it!! But is your monthly £80??!!!……

If anyone can get cheaper flying than that then go buy elsewhere …

Ahem!

Still a share for sale in my Colt at £36 per hour 🙂

Moggy

Sorry to hijack your thread 😀

Will check but I’m pretty certain not.

Martin, does your insurer have a minimum hours experience requirement?

Mr. Weaver, you are going to end up as a sad statistic with your attitude. Legal does not equal safe.

Robert

Not just in Damien’s book, but in mine also, and probably in 99% of anyone with a sensible head on their shoulders, heed the wise words my friend

D.

Martin

Shame this share isnt available in the South Gloucestershire area, I would bite your hand off, I have to go to the States in November to hr build towards the mandatory 150hrs you need to start the CPL flying and your share would have been the perfect way.
Never mind, Im sure you will sell it, hang in there 🙂

Dean.

What a fantastic debate. Of course I didn’t mention in my advert that about half the group harldy ever fly. The price is LESS than I paid for it and regardless of the fact you are shelling out £2900 or £290 you get to fly for £50/hour and even if you do nothing you ‘lose’ a massive £20 a month. If anyone can get cheaper flying than that then go buy elsewhere or carry on renting at £100/hour with all the usual club restrictions. If on the other hand you are a sensible level headed individual that can work out maths and are interested then call me. And the reason I am selling is that I have a share now in a 4 seater at £60/hour and NO MONTHLY. How I laugh at the other prices in adverts and those club charges…………..

Just read the mush above again! Can’t have the thing for a weekend? So my Blackpool/Le Touqet trips were a dream?!! Yes some groups might be like that but not this one. A 152 with 25% shares at £3000? Great – and when it goes wrong everything is divided by 4 and not the 10 that I would be sharing with!!

Mr. Weaver, you are going to end up as a sad statistic with your attitude. Legal does not equal safe.

Simply in your books and not others.

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Odd definition of ‘bugging’ you have there old chap.

As for flying above CBs… ignoring how long it’ll take you to get there in many GA types, I take the next exam you’ll fail is the met one?

Here’s a quote from Pratt for you to digest:

So yes I agree with you – fool hardy comments indeed.

ONCE AGAIN YOU FAIL TO UNDERSATAND IT IS NOT ILEGAL TO DO SO, AND MANY G.A TYPES WILL DO SO. Oh and I passed My met exam in December.

It was also said in a jokingly way.

OLD CHAP! 😎

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Bugging a MATZ and playing with CBs? Sounds very “safe and legal”!!

Damien, what a fool-hardy comment, flying over MATZ airspace control altitudes and contacting them out of good relations for safety reasons is not ilegal or unsafe. Flying above CB’S in VFR is also not ilegal as long as you don’t enter into cloud.

After me; I will think before applying fingers to computer.
I will think before applying fingers to computer.

Thanks for the information Moggy, you must have a good group.

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Well that’s a viewpoint r.

For an aircraft of that type I’d allow around £6,000 for a year’s fixed expenses (Legal stuff, parking and hangarage, insurance and routine maintenance plus a couple of breakages). This is based on the costs of running our little ragwing. I would guess that a £10,000 PA38 would rack up a fair bit more in breakages. That will not be a much loved and cossetted aircraft. It will be very tired.

I suspect you’d need to add a bit more for Cranfield by the way.

Allow £25 for fuel per hour and then whatever you need for the engine fund. Let’s assume your PA38 has 500 hours left, that would be about £20 an hour, say.

Compare this to a club aircraft at £100 per hour (For ease of arithmetic) and you’ll need to fly about 110 hours per year to break even. Still not overly frightening.

I’ve been in two groups larger than your suggested size.

The 10 member Yak group, because of the nature of the aircraft, never had availability problems (Short aeros flights, often two or three members sharing a day)

My current PA22 has six members. Still no availability problems. I’m taking it to Normandy for a few days in June. No hassle at all. Nobody ‘tells you’ when you can have the aircraft, it all works out simply in a well run group.

But there have been some horror stories I have heard from others.

For me having five others to share the financial and ‘time’ load works well. I actually prefer this to owning outright. Particularly with the impending mandating of Modes S transponders. I’m very pleased that the cost of that will be split.

Moggy

At £3,000 for a share in a C150, bloddy hell! I found a c150 for sale at £10,000 and I have found c152 shares at £3,000 for a 25% stake. I think buying an aircraft like that and then selling shares is a great way to make a few pennys.

Say you want to go up at the weekend, you have been working your nuts off all week and you decide that you want an hour to yourself bugging some MATZ and riding high above some broken CB’S, you then have the other nine people wanting to go up and do exactly the same thing. If you want the aircraft for the weekend then you have no chance. Buying a share is not about having your own aircraft it’s about avoding the joys and social activities of a club and saving £50 or so each hour, I would rather pay the extra and go flying when I like and where and for how long I please to do so.

Phone the organiser up and let me guess “Oh yes, yes we have very good availability, just sign here, here and here and oh when do we get the cash?”

Stop dreaming start flying, avoid aircraft shares unless they are restricted to a few people, no more than about 4, why should you have to pay and then be told when you can and can’t fly and for how long.

If you just want your hour slot at a weekend then fine but don’t think it’s your ticket fo freedom. O.k buying your own aircraft is very expensive and you might not have the money but if you do want your own aircraft and I can see why then find a good share with few people.

If you fly at least once a week then buying your own aircraft (not shares) can work out cheaper than renting; allow me to explain;

Take a Piper tomahawk (£10,000)

Insurance: £900/£1300
Fuel: £25/30 per hour.
Parking: £100 month
C of A £1,000 for the 3 yearly.
Other mis-habs: £500 per year.

Call it a total with good deals at £4,000 yearly.

If you fly say 50hours a year with a club call that £5,000. Under two years to pay for aircraft in flying money, with the benifit of your own aircraft. And the fuel cost depends on how much or how little you fly.

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Now its £2895

No I’d expect to pay more for a public transport category aeroplane and also more for one with a fairly new engine but it still seemed slightly dear to me for a 150 rather than a 152. Admittedly there is the advantage of buying into a successfully running and established group.