Perhaps I’ve missed it on here but the CAA have published a document, CAP1640, setting out their views on the start point of a restoration. They suggest primary structure should be available,generally but not exclusively from the fuselage. Data plates should be available to prove provenance but guidance from historians and published information can be used if the data plates aren’t available. Sounds pretty reasonable to me but it’s quite a long document so there may be hidden “gotchas”.
By: Arabella-Cox - 2nd August 2018 at 19:18
It must be the Varsity, someone got the date wrong. The AAIB report is No 2/1986 which may explain the error.
By: farnboroughrob - 2nd August 2018 at 19:11
I am struggling too and could only think of the varsity, and the fatality numbers sadly tally except for the date 19/8/84.
Personally unless you start with an aircraft (not a box of bits) and end up with an aircraft that is substantially the same aircraft then it is not an original.
By: RAFRochford - 2nd August 2018 at 19:02
“What incident does this refer to?”
WJ897?
Edit: Can’t be, that was 1984.
By: ZRX61 - 2nd August 2018 at 18:36
The first *gotcha* is Chapter 1, para 2:
The restoration of ex-military aircraft varies considerably from the transition of a just out of service aircraft into the civil environment to a more substantial recovery of a severely damaged World War II aircraft, complete with bullet holes, fire damage and corrosion. Accordingly, the aircraft will have different demands to ensure that airworthiness is achieved to allow a Permit to Fly to be issued. As such, each ex-military aircraft is regarded as being unique. Whilst a number of the type may have qualified for a Permit to Fly, the circumstances surrounding the nature of the individual aircraft’s history requires separate consideration. Each aircraft therefore has its own Airworthiness Approval Note (AAN) covering the history, any work done on transition to the civil system and the conditions associated with the issue of the Permit.
Translation: Just because that bloke over there got one sorted & flying doesn’t mean we’ll approve your identical one over here. 😉
What incident does this refer to?
Occupancy A-3.5.1
Following an accident in 1986 to a civil registered ex-military aircraft operating on a Permit to Fly, where eleven of the fourteen occupants were killed, the Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) focused attention on the difficulties faced by the CAA in satisfying themselves as to the airworthiness of an ex-military aircraft which has not been civil type certificated and does not have the continued airworthiness support required by ICAO Annex 8 for civil certification. The AAIB recommendation stated that
“When an aircraft is to be operated on a Permit to Fly the Permit should specify the maximum number of seats authorised to be fitted to the aircraft.” The response from the CAA was to define an overall occupancy limit in each case and endorse the Permit to Fly accordingly.
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