The title says enough. I know it’s not possible on cruise level, but at 2000 feet, hmmm must be possible, no?
And another thing. A Russian aircraft crashed because it lost power of nr 3&4. The assymetrical thrust made the aircraft out of control. Is this a pilot error, or are you really in trouble if you get this kind of assymetrical thrust?
By: Bmused55 - 1st March 2004 at 06:10
Originally posted by Matthew Murray
How about this situation : –Concorde, Climbing through 10000ft at 300kts, outbound from Heathrow, you lease the 2,3, and 4 Engines. What do you do?
Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye ?
By: wysiwyg - 29th February 2004 at 19:43
You wouldn’t have any power with which to deploy the flaps so it would be a high speed clean landing/crash. You would certainly have a pitch much much higher than 15 degrees nose down (in fact almost certainly quite nose high).
By: Jeanske_SN - 29th February 2004 at 18:19
How do you do that, not too much flaps and a 15° nose down approach?
By: Bmused55 - 29th February 2004 at 17:21
Originally posted by skycruiser
The 747 has no performance figures for a 3 engine out situation.i.e drift down. Also, no pilots have any formal training on a 3 engine out situation. So I guess it’s a bit strong to say you would expect a pilot to handle this type of situation.
I’m talking about a 2 engine out situation.
By: skycruiser - 29th February 2004 at 16:58
The 747 has no performance figures for a 3 engine out situation.i.e drift down. Also, no pilots have any formal training on a 3 engine out situation. So I guess it’s a bit strong to say you would expect a pilot to handle this type of situation.
By: Bmused55 - 29th February 2004 at 12:12
Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
That Russian aircraft was an IL18.After the failure of the nos. 3 and 4 engines on final approach, the crew elected to go around and attempt another landing. The assymetrical thrust forces caused a loss of control.
Bratislava, Czechoslovakia
Well, there still isn’t enough info to determine exactly what went wrong there. BUT, Pilots should be able to handle an asymetrical thrust situation be it one or two engines
Perhaps in this Il-18 flight control problems occured due to the loss of power. Perhaps the Il-18 didn’t have backups.
I dunno.
By: Jeanske_SN - 29th February 2004 at 11:06
That Russian aircraft was an IL18.
After the failure of the nos. 3 and 4 engines on final approach, the crew elected to go around and attempt another landing. The assymetrical thrust forces caused a loss of control.
Bratislava, Czechoslovakia
By: Bmused55 - 29th February 2004 at 01:31
Re: Can a four engined aircraft maintain 2000 feet on ONE engine in a clean configuration
Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
The title says enough. I know it’s not possible on cruise level, but at 2000 feet, hmmm must be possible, no?
And another thing. A Russian aircraft crashed because it lost power of nr 3&4. The assymetrical thrust made the aircraft out of control. Is this a pilot error, or are you really in trouble if you get this kind of assymetrical thrust?
From what I’ve read, the 747 can fly on 1 engine, fully loaded for a short period of time. Enough to get you to an airport.
As for the asymetrical situation, I wouldn’t like to say if the russian incident was pilot error or not. Perhaps the failure of No.3 and 4 caused loss of control systems?
But I do know a pilot should be able to handle this kind of engine failure, assuming all the controls were still operational.
An Evergreen Cargo 742 lost an engine on take off due to heavy turnbulence. The No.2 engine ripped completely off the wing, And took a good portion of the leading edge slats along with it.
The No.1 engine ingested debris and was shutdown.
Although is was a heck of a job, the Captain got the plane back on the ground fine.
Here’s the aircraft in question, safely on the ground.
By: wysiwyg - 28th February 2004 at 23:05
Although not a four engined aircraft, a TriStar would stabilise at around 4000′ on one engine at fairly heavy weights.
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