can Ryanair close 2 toilets, add more searts

Back on the RyanAir topic, are they not going bankrupt after being grounded for a week?

As one of Europe’s most (and only) profitable airlines, they have a good stash of money put away. They’re also opposed to any airline getting hand-outs and bail-outs.

When I flew for Namib Air (now Air Namibia) they used to transport mineworkers from northern Namibia to Alexander Bay to work in the mines. They had 2 Convair 580s. Some mineworkers were too afraid to get up out of their seats (having never seen an aircraft before let alone flown in one) so you can guess what happened as it was a good 2 to 3 hour flight! 😮

Back on the RyanAir topic, are they not going bankrupt after being grounded for a week?

If I recall correctly, the maximum number of passengers allowed is clearly stated on the airworthiness certificate. There is no requirement for toilets. Therefore if any carrier chooses to remove the toilets and put seats there, they deserve what they are going to get: passengers relieving themselves in their seats (believe me, I have seen it here in Africa). And hopefully they send a sample to head office.

So the Stewardesses in SA don’t tell you to return to your seats during turbulence..they tell you to go back and sit on your stools :diablo:

And Boeing DON’T like it!:D

http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/04/15/boeing-ryanair-pay-toilet-plan/?ncid=AOLCOMMtravdynlprim0930&icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl4|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.travel.aol.com%2F2010%2F04%2F15%2Fboeing-ryanair-pay-toilet-plan%2F%3Fncid%3DAOLCOMMtravdynlprim093

You can add to your list that the seat tracks do not extend that far back to allow an extra row of seats. You are then talking quite a modification to splice in an additional section, the design/fitment of new floor beams – which also means disconnecting a number of flight control wires.

It would be expensive to design, overcome and certify these changes, making it completely unfeasible.

All this is is hot air from a very good businessman.

I read an interesting piece about the reconfiguration which highlighted a couple of technical problems:
1) Where the two toilets are, the cabin has a taper and this is likely to prevent two full sets of (3) seats being fitted;
2) The airconditioning and more importantly, the oxygen systems would need extending further back which would add additional cost;
3) As already discussed the aircraft would need altered exits to meet the requirements for evacuation (for example, the B737-800 already features Type III exits over the wings in place of the original throw out sections on older generation 737s, and this would require some further review).

Finally he points out, that even if these were overcome, Ryanair’s requirements to sell aircraft young would cause a problem by being a non-standard aircraft, which would potentially reduce their resale value, making it unattractive to the Airline.

…How can you quote a fare that doesn’t include a non optional seat?…

I thought it was a bit steep when I was charged for an extra sprinkling of Parmesan cheese on my spaghetti at a restaurant in London once but this…
I am dumbstruck. Maybe the toilet was the option?

anyway, if you cant hold it in for an hour, there’s something wrong with you.

And at some time in your life you might find that you too will have “something wrong with you” – either a medical condition that makes ‘holding on’ for an hour difficult, or whose medication produces that effect. It happens to the nicest people. As the old US saying goes – “It ain’t no-how voluntary”.

Ryanair aren’t the only ones. I went on Flybe’s website today and got quotes for flights to Jersey. They seemed reasonable so after finding and booking hotels I went back to book the seats.

Then I found that they still list prices the old way and don’t include taxes, charges for card payments etc in addition to the expected baggage charges.

The bit that really got me though was an extra charge for a seat on top of the quoted fare! How can you quote a fare that doesn’t include a non optional seat? You pay a minimum £6 per person per flight extra for a standard seat. In my days as cabin crew you had to make sure everyone was seated etc etc. Have I missed something and you can now stand on short flights!?:(

PS My wife has just come up with a good question. Have we paid for the pilots or do they pass a hat round for them after landing that we are required to contribute to?

Simple..fly Easyjet :diablo:

By the sound of things, they should close off some seats, add two toilets and sell more beer.

Back in the sixties there was an American stand up comedien called Bob Newhart. He did a sketch called “The Grace L Ferguson Airline (and storm door company)” It’s not on Utube. It might have been writain yesterday!

Rgds Cking

(BTW Bob Newhart is still around and is very talented)

to be fair… if your stupid enough not to go to the toilet in the terminal, pay 4 quid for a drink on ryanair, then have to use the loo on the plane. you deserve to pay £1 for the toilet.

anyway, if you cant hold it in for an hour, there’s something wrong with you.

its getting a bit wearisome, with the whole Ryanair bashing, you get what you pay for. is there another way you could get to Italy for a 50quid return plus luggage.
if your sensible you will get a Bread card in the Uk. this enables you to dodge the admin fees, and you should get a back pack big enough to fit a few days clothes in.

This is what happens when you read the Daily Mail!! :rolleyes:

Seeing that they have had the info from the FR Head of Communications, perhaps we ought to take it a bit more seriously? As for this seats issue, we have:
But before the airline can begin charging, McNamara said, it will need to work with Boeing to reconfigure its aircraft.

I think you’re all getting carried away with unjustified RYR bashing (oh the boredom :rolleyes:).

As tenthije pointed out, the B738 is only certified for 189 passengers and is unlikely to be recertified for anymore furthermore it is unlikely to pass evacuation trials for more passengers.

As correctly stated, the B739 also has a maximum limit of 189 passengers, unless it is the -ER version which features additional emergency exits, and the latter scheme would be necessary in order to fit more passnegers in, but this would then lead to a requirement for a wider emergency exit row where said exit was placed and therefore you wouldn’t be able to get another row in anyway.

This is what happens when you read the Daily Mail!! :rolleyes:

So if you are on a two hour flight and fancy a beer (which eire o’flot make a killing on) and then find you have to spend a pound to recycle it, will it stop you from buying the beer in the first place.

Are eire o’flot in danger of shooting themselves in the foot.

Also imagine this scenario. You are flying into Dublin or Shannon from the UK. On your flight are 25 or so burly rugby players going on tour. They all got to the airport a few hours before the flight and got stuck-in at the bar. Will they all queue up patiently ready for spend a pound two or three times during the flight?

Or, was it all just free publicity from gobsh**e o’dreary for eire o’flot?

With Ryanair Anything is Possible,

As long as Money is Involved and Demeaning other Airlines

Yes, and the stewardesses can come in to check that they are properly fastened!

I guess that means seatbelts in the loo then?

Daily Mail recently reports FR is to close two toilets, charge £1 per use and increase pax seating by 6. I’d have thought if certification permited more seats then someone would have done it by now. Any knowledgable comments?

The number of toilets is not mandatory, so yeah they can remove them. The number of passengers allowed on the B738 and B739 (non ER) is at most 189. Ryanair already pack 189 people on board. Therefor adding seats would not be allowed.