Can someone explain??

🙂 Lovely painting,i envy your talents having tried and failing miserably:(
I go to the G A A exhibitions at Carisbrook art galleries near marble arch and can only wonder at so much talent being available.I don’t always agree with the winning paintings chosen but that is one persons choice and interpretation.
However to be fair the artwork of Mr Twigger is open to discussion and criticsm because HE has put the paintings in the public domain AND HE is asking money for them.
I personally started doing a painting last summer and asked people/friends for their constructive comments /criticism as you sometimes don’t see the wood for trees,you get TOO involved.At first you smart a bit when someone points something out but after a deep breathe you realise they have done the right thing
How many paintings in the past have you looked at and your eyes instantly pick out something wrong that in effect ruins the rest of the painting,if the artist had been told at that point there was something wrong it may have been corrected,too late when it’s finished.:)

Skipper…now that is one damn good painting. It has depth, character and texture. On a par with my favourite aviation artist, Brian Petch 🙂 I agree with your comment that if you place your work in a public context you open yourself to the possibility or praise and criticism, and you have to learn to accept both gracefully (been there done that)

Ashley

If the intention is to turn this thread into an appreciation of aviation art, then why not invite the guy whose work prompted the discussion, to be a part of it?

Here’s his email address. Bring him into the debate and put your observations to him direct.

[email]theamazinglee@hotmail.com[/email]

In that way, comments such as…

“Initial postings on the subject of a guy selling not terribly realistic aviation pics on e-bay….

…Much guffawing…

…Big move to mass vote the original artist ‘Artist of the month’ on his gallery’s web site.”…

…can be properly considered, within the context of constructive criticism and artistic debate.

come on you lot, criticise me and my propellors

😮 😮 😮

What propellers?

Seriously though, you wont get any complaints from me – I like it.

Skipper,

That’s a good picture there mate. You are quite right to show it! Accurate, atmospheric Good handling of the nat metal (difficult!)

My 2d. on the rest of the discussion. Constructive criticism can hurt, but make better artists. I didn’t follow the thread as I thought it was a fair amount of air (left it before the props discussion!) unlike almost all the rest of the forum.

The Guild art quality has gone down over the last few years. Used to go in the 90s, where there were some brilliant pictures – there still are a number of gems each show, but the last I wnt to (a couple of years ago now) also had some sub standard stuff that did neither them, nor the artists credit. Result? It’s no longer a essential call in my summer round. That’s one reason to maintain a high standard. (Just my opinion…)

Cheers

Guys,

Having been away for the past couple of days, yet wanting to reply to the original thread before it was pulled, I’d just like to add my thoughts to all of this.

As well as aspiring to be everything I’ve yet to be(!), aviation art is a passion I hold close to my heart (equally alongside the 388th BG!). Although I feel I am far from comfortable to show my work in public, I took the bold step to donate my first ever painting (since I last did one aged eleven) to the 388th Colllection at Market Weston, Suffolk during the 388th Reunion last May. I then posted an image of it on an earlier thread on this board

I never had one bad word said against it by those who saw it. Do I take it form that, that my efforts can be assumed to be absolutely brilliant or just that noone was prepared to hurt my feelings after having put such a lot of effort into it – particularly whilst ensuring every little rivet and mod. were correct!!!

I feel that when one takes the bold step to publish their work, whether art, writing, music, whatever… they are taking the decision to open themselves up to praise or criticism – one of the very reasons I held fire for so long to airing my own work!

If someone also wants to make money from their work then, evenmore, they open themselves to criticism. I think the criticism aired earlier was spot on. I certainly would pay the money asked for such works. That’s my opinion like it was everyone elses.

If we were to view our comments on a music related forum that Westlife were sh*ite – would we be vilifeid and the discussion pulled – I think not!!!

As an aspiring Member to the Guild of Avaition Artists, and one who feels they are currently “not worthy”, I feel earlier the comments against the Guild’s “desperation” were unjustified. Just go to the next show in London and see what works are on display. The Guild is the fore most organisation in aviation art in the World!!!!

Clearly there will be a range of talents on show but the guys who are accepted as Members only make it there after a lot of hard graft and obvious talent.

With all due respect to Mr Twigger, I feel he opens himself up to even more cirtiscism as (as far as I am aware) he is NOT a MEMBER of the Guild although he might have exhibited at previous exhibitions. Note – I stand to be corrected on this fact!

Attached is my first ever oil painting of my beloved 388th BG Skipper an the Kids – come on you lot, criticise me and my propellors:D

Skipper

Good morning chaps,

What I was getting at – this is a great board, for the most part full of interesting conversation on the subject we all love and not full of drivel.

The internet has an interesting effect of “keyboard courage” – a mob rule where people can get whipped up into saying things they would never do face to face with the person.

The level of the artist work was obvious, I think you all agree. Anything past and including the first post to me seemed a little below the standard you lot bring here.

Just my opinion.

– Dave (Hamtech).

Originally posted by mike currill
I think it is far easier to get over the unhappiness caused by criticism if it is constructive than it is to get over finding out that – having said that it’s nice – finding out that they reallyhated it all along

I agree after all people can all be nice about your work to your face and slag it off when you not there,Someone was bound to tell him at sometime anyway.I did not see any comments that were offensive either.

I think it is far easier to get over the unhappiness caused by criticism if it is constructive than it is to get over finding out that – having said that it’s nice – finding out that they reallyhated it all along

Hamtech…any comments I made regarding Lee Twigger’s artwork I tried to form as constructive criticism..i.e. what I found wrong artistically with his work. I certainly wouldn’t have called my comments “hammering the crap out of the poor fellow”. I did not make personal comments concerning Mr Twigger himself. As a writer, I would personally rather people told me what they found wrong with my work and how I could improve it, than simply said “oh yes Becka, that’s wonderful”, when really they’re thinking “oh dear, that’s pretty rubbish”. But then that’s just me…

Originally posted by Robbo
Perhaps the posting of copyrighted artwork contributed to the demise of the thread?

I wondered about that. But frankly, if I were an artist I’d be quite pleased if low res examples of my paintings were ‘advertised’ to a large pool of prospective purchasers.

Moggy

Doesn’t sound THAT controversial, but obviously someone was upset by one or more comments, I assume!

That’ll teach you – best thread for ages.

A short history.

Initial postings on the subject of a guy selling not terribly realistic aviation pics on e-bay.

Much guffawing

A few examples of preferred paintings posted

Someone got finickity about how props are portrayed on paintings (The words ‘paintings ruined’ used as they weren’t how the author wanted to see them)

Others saying they didn’t give a toss what the propellor looked like

Big move to mass vote the original artist ‘Artist of the month’ on his gallery’s web site.

OK?

Moggy

What did I miss?!!

I thought the sniping at Lee was fairly good natured (and possibly deserved, but who am I to say?) but I was finding the prop blades discussion intriguing.

Moggy

Well said, Hamtech, I couldn’t have put it better!

I’ll speculate if I may that it may be considered out of character and poor form for the posters here to hammer crap out of the poor fellow.

I do really enjoy reading the posts here and felt that thread was definitely out of place / out of character.

Yeyst Ot Vinta!

– Hamtech.