Canadian Lanc petition

cheers guys……..have a “Lancaster beer” for me……..not available locally to me 🙁

Jay it will be a pleasure to quaff one or two on your behalf. Cheers :very_drunk:

No not you mate 🙂

I hope that it wasn;t me that did that Tony……

I really got alot from your messages…….and as I have said…….although the gesture of the “petition” was nice…it isn;t realistic nor needed…….just my .2 cents worth……

I honestly feel it wouldn;t even be accepted BY the CWHM even if it was offered…… and lets face it…the levels of Government it would need to go through?…wow……..

It was a sincere and good idea…..just not a realistic one I feel………anyway, THANKS for the support for our Canadian Lanc. and it has been VERY obvious that she was well appreciated and looked after in the UK…….I;m glad the we ( Canada ) could send over some good will and good entertainment 🙂

WV 903………well said…….I think that the East Kirkby and “Just Jane” folks are doing an incredible job!…….and I KNOW that many here have become aware of her because of the Lancaster Tour……I have faith that things will progress and she will soon be in the air as well…….much respect to them and their really great museum / plane and site……

It’s exciting as there is basically a Canadian version of “Just Jane” as well, as most of will know…….at Naton, Alberta…maybe some day she to can get new main spars and get airborne…same as the now under restoration, “Bad Penny” at Windsor’s CH2A…….the future on both sides of the pond look well positioned to see lancs. in the air……..maybe, just maybe, some day, they will all get into the air together…now that would be a wonderful site……..

Cheers,

Jay–Paul1867 and Anon have it encapsulated spot on. That was a courageous thing to do indeed and although I didn’t see either of them flying or static, that’s OK. I donated to the replacement engine fund and have signed the Petition because like many other folks here in UK, I appreciate what CWHM and members have achieved along with help from organisations and individuals here in UK to make it all work. The risk the Canadians took and the spirit that it brought out in folks here in UK, was of a great order we don’t seem to see much of these days in general. ( I watched Vera’s slow progress back across the pond to Canada on Plane Finder,etc and had fingers crossed all the time. )Whole new batches of younger people here now know what Lancaster bombers were all about, like in my younger days we watched the main Line steam trains batting down the tracks and that was it, we wanted to be an engine driver. So these 2 Lancasters have sown seeds in the younger generation, that the EU and our government never will. So folks will want to help CWHM or not, it’s a choice and you all know where you stand on that one. I raise my glass of Spit***** ale to everyone who made it all ,as no doubt all of the WW2 vets will have done too. Great independent efforts guys and gals, now how about helping the Pantons get “Just Jane ” Airworthy, I intend to when I can.

Bill T.

Our National Rail Museum was severely criticized for the expense of bringing two A4 steam engines over from North America and had a line-up of the 6 remaining examples in York. Sadly I wasn’t able to get there and for some inexplicable reason they wouldn’t bring them to my local station!

I bet you were steaming 😉

Lobster, I just feel it will not get 100K signs, I know I said I don’t think I will sign it, but I gave my reasons behind that thought process and feel in a way I have been made to feel like a leper because I voiced my concerns… But hey, that’s life. 🙂

Yes, I agree that we have been fortunate.

I have to say that I thought the idea and the decision to bring the Canadian Lancaster across to be a courageous one and I am very heartened with the response they seem to have had by doing so.

The opportunity to see the two Lancasters flying together has been taken up and enjoyed by what seems to be a staggering number of people. I am quite surprised at the numbers who have turned out and I hope that this may indicate a surge in a desire of people who want to see more of this kind of thing. This year’s widespread coverage and air time of the centenary of the First World War has, I think, made many people consider the world’s modern conflicts in a more interesting and curious light. It might even indicate a new-found interest in many to involve themselves more closely in finding out what happened in the 20th century’s conflicts and, more to the point, what we used to fight those wars.

In these modern safety-conscious times, to even contemplate bringing a seventy-year-old aircraft across the Atlantic was, literally, a gamble that, I hope, has paid off handsomely. I didn’t manage to see the Lancaster(s) so I hope that, given the (presumed) success of this tour, they do it again. I hardly think that the cost of a broken engine would, or could, do any serious harm to either the supporters of the idea or the coffers of the operators. These things happen and are usually allowed for. I mean, who, in the position of planning the trip wouldn’t have considered the very real possibility of such an occurrence? In their day, Lancaster transports (and every other type) had it happen on a regular basis, such was the (relatively) poor reliability of the equipment at the time.

Can this type of eventuality be insured against? I would have thought so. I’m just not quite sure why a lot of fuss is seemingly being made about a (albeit fairly expensive) broken component.

Anon.

It seems to me that some people know the cost of everything but the value of nothing. We are so fortunate in the UK to have a flying Lancaster to commemorate the sacrifice made by aircrew from around the world. The CWH added a bit of magic this year by putting in an amazing amount of work to come to the UK and raise the profile of the Lancaster and, I really hope, the sacrifice of all Bomber Command aircrew who made the ultimate sacrifice.

There was a real ‘buzz’ around this tour and I think both the CWH and the BBMF did us all proud by trying to display these incredibly special aircraft as much as possible. I witnessed the display at Duxford and it was amazing to see the Lancaster effect. The minimum we can do is to offer the hand of friendship back and if that means making a gesture to help pay for an engine or some other type of support then it is a minuscule thing to do in the grand schemes of things. How anyone can complain is beyond me – I am happy to sign the petition and ‘brown nose’ the Canadians. To help me justify this I will just think of Andrew Charles Mynarski VC saluting his gunner before he jumped from his burning Lancaster – that is a real sacrifice.

Rant over.

😡 Lobster

The way Jay sees it – yes we really are extremely fortunate. Perhaps that’s part of the problem. Some of us don’t realise just how much we have on our doorsteps.

Let’s for a moment sit back and relish all we have to see and experience instead of making cheap points against a worthy and dedicated group of people who have enhanced the lives of so many this summer.

Jay Thanks for your posts. I think the Aussies have it about right but please don’t think we are all whinging poms.
You’re very right we are very lucky to have the excellent museums (many of which are free and those that aren’t very reasonably priced when compared with other attractions) and shows of all types air, car, steam train and traction engines. Regrettably there is the same criticism in all fields. Our National Rail Museum was severely criticized for the expense of bringing two A4 steam engines over from North America and had a line-up of the 6 remaining examples in York. Sadly I wasn’t able to get there and for some inexplicable reason they wouldn’t bring them to my local station!

Now that the Canadian Lanc is (presumably) safely home and dry, can’t they just take the loaned engine out, pack it in a crate and send it back to the UK?

They could then have their old engine returned (if it isn’t already) and put it in for an overhaul. That way, they would be in a situation which they might have found themselves in had their engine failed over home turf and react accordingly, i.e. send it off to their own maintenance outfit or do it in-house – or am I missing something here?

I’m aware that it wouldn’t be cheap to send the engine back but neither would it be prohibitively expensive. Just piggy-back with someone else filling a shipping container would be the obvious, logical and economic solution, and vice versa. There are companies doing this all the time.

Anon.

I think it must have a different meaning in Scots!!

Charlie Now I have just caught up with the Highs and Lows thread it all makes better sense.

Cheers mate,

I will likely head off to the CWHM with my sons during the winter sometime…….it’s nice then, kinda quiet and all the planes are in to see…It really is a world class museum and all the people there are super…..will definately pass along thanks and appreciation when I go …..

I ‘m kinda embarassed here…not sure that anything I have posted deserves to be called “fantastic”…..heck, I am just a warbird appreciator, the same as all of you….all I might do different is have a different viewpoint, and that’s only because I live on the “other side” of the pond…..lol

You guys need to sit back some day and really figure how damb lucky you all are, you are LITERALLY surrounded in history, swamped in the actual RAF Stations and US Bases…have swarms of Spits and Hurricanes flying…superb museums with all kinds of planes that many of us won;t get to see….and in reality, it;s all within such a close travelling time……I mean from the very top of Scotland to the south of England in less than 24 hours…heck we can;t even drive across ONTARIO in in much less than that….lol….I understand time off work and such…..but the distances aren;t really that far…….and THAT I envy you UK based folks for…..heck, even to get across the channel to see the “beaches”, the JUNO Centre and the memorials and museums is so easy for you guys……I;d love to see where my family fought in WW2…..but the tickets across now are kinda high with 4 kids to take…..lol

anyway, my point is, ENJOY all that is offered to you all, because it really is breath taking and world class…IWM ( all it;s locations…) Bovington etc….envy of so many……..

cheers guys……..have a “Lancaster beer” for me……..not available locally to me 🙁

Jay your posts are fantastic ,please thank any of the CWHM crew whom you may meet in the future ,the majority of people and there were a huge amount of them were enraptured with the Lancs THANK YOU.
They made the national TV and newspapers something that normally doesn’t happen unless it is gruesome and hopefully the Andrew Mynarski Lancaster told a tale to many people.
Meddle–you are an embarrassing yourself now.

Moggy?????????…..was that directed at me?…..not sure…..sorry if my view point offended..not deliberate….:)

Not at all

Moggy

I think the Germans should pay. Who won the bloody war anyway?

sorry, double posted for some reason 🙂

Rather than petition the British Government to pay for the Canadian Lancaster (our Government already pays for the BBMF),
wouldn’t it make more sense to petition the Canadian Government?

I think this is where the issue is laying…….This entire thread was started by someone with GOOD INTENTIONS, and obviosuly just thinking towards the future of the Lancs in general…….and for that I say cudos!.good on ya……

NOW, Hampden is right in that the UK supports the BBMF ( I have actually read bizzare comments elsewhere that because people pay taxes and taxes support BBMF, that THEY OWN the planes!?????..not like any claim to ownership of current Military planes , tanks etc are logical)…kinda makes one wonder…..BUT anyway, with CWHM being a NON Government entity, it is sooo much better in many ways…..like being ABLE to fly to the UK for a tour, being able to fly passengers to allow for that experience and to be able to fly ( as it did here in CWHM Airshow…see the “Merlin Flight”) with privately owned warbirds with out massive issues…the obvious draw backs being the costs……

the bottom line is simply this…….NO ONE is asking for anyone to donate an engine to CWHM, no one is asking for any Government to pay for it or anything else….at least officially, this was just a good intentioned idea…….

anyway, for those INDIVIDUALS that WANTED to donate to the engine repair fund…awesome and it;s great…it will help get VeRA on all four engines again….and as a supporter and someone that sees her flying as often as I can….I appreciate it too…..believe me when I say she was missed this summer here in Ontario……..

Moggy?????????…..was that directed at me?…..not sure…..sorry if my view point offended..not deliberate….:)

Jay – Charlie is right. It is always the whingers and carpers who feel the need to post.

There’s no compulsion to sign, if you don’t want to, don’t bother.

But popping up on here to tell us you aren’t going to sign is just typical internet attention seeking.

(And I fell for it)

Moggy

Rather than petition the British Government to pay for the Canadian Lancaster (our Government already pays for the BBMF),
wouldn’t it make more sense to petition the Canadian Government?

Hi All,
Done 2. :eagerness:

Geoff.