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I’m sick of all this stereotyping! 😡 You know, we’re not all shallow…..I actually prefer busty brunettes! :diablo:

I hate bigguns and I totally detest plastic ones.

Pat Condell on the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48&feature=topvideos

There was an article on this very subject in my paper today.Apparently when it comes to judging attractiveness men ( surprise,surprise ) tend to go for the conventional busty blonde stereotype,while women find a much wider range of masculine types attractive

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25712334-3162,00.html

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…when it comes to judging attractiveness men (surprise,surprise) tend to go for the conventional busty blonde…

I’m sick of all this stereotyping! 😡 You know, we’re not all shallow…..I actually prefer busty brunettes! :diablo:

There was an article on this very subject in my paper today.Apparently when it comes to judging attractiveness men ( surprise,surprise ) tend to go for the conventional busty blonde stereotype,while women find a much wider range of masculine types attractive.Not implying you lot are shallow,obviously ! Just that women tend to see the bigger picture.What’s the use of a bloke lookjng like Johnny Depp if he’s as thick as two short planks? And if I should happen to see a homeless person I have been known to slip them a few bob.Not all homeless people are totally undeserving of sympathy .

I see what you mean about stereotypes old shape,but I thought you would have been old enough and wise enough by now to know you just can’t pigeonhole people like that.I have read of some women who genuinely claim that they choose to wear the burkha because they feel that it liberates them from the tyranny of being judged by how attractive they are.But of course youl’d never do that,would you ?

Well, pigeonholing is not a bad thing either.
Any man that claims to look at a woman and not mentally note her attractiveness or not, is a total liar. Or Gay.
No matter how professional the meeting is, or for what reason, the first 4 seconds sight of that person will make your decision on that person. As you get older and wiser, that decision improves from 70% correct to 85% correct. The other 15% – tough, their loss. Women of course seek a bit more depth, but are still affected by the immediate impact of somebody they find attractive.
We choose our life partners to have offsprings and replace ourselves. So, one doesn’t choose a person that doesn’t set off some sparks. Appearance initially then, if your lucky like I was (Eventually!!!), the person is perfect too.
I could not, and would not sleep/date/marry a gal that didn’t appeal to me physically. I wouldn’t even waste lifespan on chatting her up “Just in case” she had a great personality. I couldn’t spend years lying next to a gal I didn’t fancy sexually.

As for the tyranny of being judged how attractive they are, sorry, that’s modernist bull. Every woman wants to look good, it’s 100% human nature to want to feel attractive.
You look good, we chase, babies are made. End of.

I see what you mean about stereotypes old shape,but I thought you would have been old enough and wise enough by now to know you just can’t pigeonhole people like that.I have read of some women who genuinely claim that they choose to wear the burkha because they feel that it liberates them from the tyranny of being judged by how attractive they are.But of course youl’d never do that,would you ?

This forum tends to have a problem with stereotypes.
If one did not stereotype, one would hardly make a decision on people. We HAVE to make a decision on other people. If I see a filthy scruffy tramp in the streets of London, I know he will ask for money and then spend it on booze or drugs. I don’t care if I’m wrong, the stereotype is good enough for me to avoid eye contact.
If I see a woman in a Chastity gown, I know she is from a repressed and twisted religion, and the man 40 paces ahead of her in the street is her husband. The other male 20 paces ahead of her is their son.
If I see a gang of youths on a street corner, hoodies on, usually “Ethnic” I know that they are most likely out to mug or knife ordinary people. I don’t care if I’m wrong, the stereotype gives me the caution signal.

Because it is always western powers claiming to take the moral high ground in terms of foreign policy and preaching to other religions/cultures/countries all in the name of claiming to be morally superior, when in actuall fact it is rather more to do with national interests.

Because we are right.

O.K. let’s see ..my wife works for a cab company they
hired a few muslims,now major complaints that these drivers
became enraged when married folk would kiss in the cab,refuse
seeing eye dogs in the car,WHICH IS LAW NOT TO REFUSE,
anyone coming from the beer or booze store in the car plus
hassling ladies in short skirts.Drivers fired.Then the filthy
kader family.So the sterotypes are alive and well so if folk don’t want to
fit in don’t show up.Harsh yes why open my door for them to keep
slamming thiers in our face eh?

The problem sir is that if you go to Iran, or Saudi Arabia or Oman, you are required to observe their rules, customs and laws. If they come to our country why shouldn’t they be required to do the same?

Gary

so what do muslims do which is contrary or against the law of western nations? when people from the west visit any of the countries you mentioned, they behave pretty much as they do in the west, at least from what I’ve seen

Straw man!

I did not ask you about the iniquities of powers Occidental or Oriental.

I did, however, ask you to tell us what it is that leads you to believe that the stereotypes that you are peddling are less invalid than those held up by others.

Did you not understand the question, or can you simply not answer it?

I’ll make it perfectly clear, I’m not peddling any steroetypes, simply stating observations based on the foreign policies of major western powers in their dealings with the muslim, and perhaps, larger world. If you can clearly demonstrate the contrary, I’ll accept my views are sterotypes of the entire western world.

Stereotypes of who/what? Demonstrate to me one western power which doesn’t follow this approach?

Straw man!

I did not ask you about the iniquities of powers Occidental or Oriental.

I did, however, ask you to tell us what it is that leads you to believe that the stereotypes that you are peddling are less invalid than those held up by others.

Did you not understand the question, or can you simply not answer it?

The problem sir is that if you go to Iran, or Saudi Arabia or Oman, you are required to observe their rules, customs and laws. If they come to our country why shouldn’t they be required to do the same?

Gary

Most of the views expressed so far are the usual self righteous hypocritical garbage that has typified western views of Islam for many years and more yet to come.

Why does it bother people in the West what Muslim women CHOOSE to wear?

What gives the West the right to dictate to other religions, cultures etc?

Do you really think there are similar conversations going on in Muslim countries about what Western womern wear or that most people over there actually give a damn?

Have you ever seen a Muslim leader or politician dictating to the West how people should live or what to wear? I’ve never seen King Abdullah telling Western women what to wear or what not to wear…

Well I won’t argue with you there…

…but I wonder if, say Iran, had the economic power, technical expertise and military might of the USA, whether the Iranian leadership would be tempted to dictate more on their interpretation of ‘moral high ground’?

I shudder to think what would happen if Iran was in the same league as the US.

Nice rant.

Would you care to answer the question now?

What makes you think that your stereotypes are any less invalid than anyone else’s?

Stereotypes of who/what? Demonstrate to me one western power which doesn’t follow this approach?

Because it is always western powers claiming to take the moral high ground in terms of foreign policy and preaching to other religions/cultures/countries all in the name of claiming to be morally superior, when in actuall fact it is rather more to do with national interests.

Nice rant.

Would you care to answer the question now?

What makes you think that your stereotypes are any less invalid than anyone else’s?

I’m not saying the Western powers oppress directly, but rather their policies in most of the world are “claimed” to be being taken on a moral higher ground, but are in fact based on personal and national interests. For example, when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian issue, India/Pakistan, Iran, Iraq.

Well I won’t argue with you there…

…but I wonder if, say Iran, had the economic power, technical expertise and military might of the USA, whether the Iranian leadership would be tempted to dictate more on their interpretation of ‘moral high ground’?

If a woman makes her own personal choice to wear a burkha,uninfluenced by anyone else,then she should be allowed to.I don’t think it’s reasonable for any country to ban it completely.But I can’t believe those women in my town are wearing it as a free choice.If they were asked,they would probably say they had chosen to wear it themselves and it’s not possible to prove whether that truly is the case or whether it’s unthinkable for them to disobey their husbands .