Carriers

Good point…

ASMP is an air-to-surface weapon; without having it’s launch aircraft in the equation, it’s not a factor. Kuznetsov still wins :diablo:

…and I am sure the French do as well!

Yes, they can carry the ASMP.

In my opinion , why would you place the kutz in this catagory , she is a 60,000 full load and must be with the heavy weights!!!

Welcome mate, I put Kutz in this mainly because she is a carrier, funny that ey mate 😉

The basic problem with the Chakri Naruebet – is the Thais , do not know where to fit her in the ovrall fabric of their Navy – with their level , they are having a problem running a carrier in terms of logistics and manning her .

The intent to buy a vessel is good, but you really have to have a need for it. Personally if I were the CiC of the Thai Navy, the first thing I’d do is remodel the carrier and get rid of the wasted Royal Suite, why have it when it’s never going to be used?

Kuznetsov wins easily, and by a relatively massive margin, if you take away aircraft and escorts. How many other carriers have nuclear-armed anti-ship missiles?

Well according to Mix, Sean, the Yanks have some and I am sure the French do as well!

Kuznetsov wins easily, and by a relatively massive margin, if you take away aircraft and escorts. How many other carriers have nuclear-armed anti-ship missiles?

hi guys , i am new in this forum , hope to fit in with my little knowledge.

In my opinion , why would you place the kutz in this catagory , she is a 60,000 full load and must be with the heavy weights!!!

The kutz does have guns – 6 30mm/65AK630 : 6 barrels per mounting.

taking the kuz off , i would go for the Charles de gaulle .

The basic problem with the Chakri Naruebet – is the Thais , do not know where to fit her in the ovrall fabric of their Navy – with their level , they are having a problem running a carrier in terms of logistics and manning her .

If it carried guns these would be french 100mm’s, right?

Yeah guess so.

A small but well armed flat top is the Italian Garribaldi: 3x40mm fast forty twin guns, 4 Otomat SSM, 2 octuple launchers for Aspide SAM, plus 2 reloads each (total 48 missiles), plus A/C complement of up to 16.

This is what got me thinking, she could fight on her own or as part of a group. Much like Kutz I guess after what I heard here, Does Kutz have any guns?

Does any carrier still posses a naval gun? Sao Paulo perhaps having a 5′ gun?

If it carried guns these would be french 100mm’s, right?

A small but well armed flat top is the Italian Garribaldi: 3x40mm fast forty twin guns, 4 Otomat SSM, 2 octuple launchers for Aspide SAM, plus 2 reloads each (total 48 missiles), plus A/C complement of up to 16.

[edit] Come to think of it, I think she also has 2x triple torpedo tubes for lightweight ASW torpedos [edit]

Does any carrier still posses a naval gun? Sao Paulo perhaps having a 5′ gun?

Ive heard some american carriers have a couple of torpedo tubes, which isnt really necesary with escort ships, but I guess it could be used now that theyre developing anti-torpedo munitions.

Does any carrier still posses a naval gun? Sao Paulo perhaps having a 5′ gun?

Definately Kuznetzov, its got Granits aswell.

Charles de Gaulle has 32 Aster 15 in Sylver VLS, 2 6-cell Sadral launchers (for Mistral missiles), 8 Giat 20F2 20mm guns and 4 .50 machineguns. It also has different soft-kill systems like chaff and jammers.

Kuznecov has no rivals there: 192 Kinzhal missiles plus missiles on Kashtan CIWS

RE: CArriers

very few US majors actually operate 747’s.

United do
American don’t
TWA don’t
Continental don’t
Delta don’t
Northwest I don’t think they have any either
US Airways don’t

Can’t think of any other US carriers with scheduled flights to Europe…

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Yes the market for flights across the pond is huge, but it may just be that the EU airlines have a bigger proportion of the demand. UA use a 744 on some routes I believe, or has that stopped now?

The US carriers will concentrate their 747s on routes that need them and have the demand… (eg from the states to Asia and Oceana across the pacific where opposing airlines will not have as big a demand.)

Well thats my reckoning anyway. I have considored it strange that US 747s are not as frequently used as they have been in the past, but there has to be some realistic reasoing behind it.

Regards

Benair

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Bit defeatist though isn’t it?

The transatlantic market is big – very big. I remember reading the LHR/JFK route is the most important in commercial aviation. Yet US carriers cannot justify 747s? Still seems odd to me!

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US carriers not usingb 747s… Maybe it is because of European carriers dominating the routes with 747s. The US carriers will supply an a/c to meet demand…perhaps they do not get as much demand as the EU airlines do and so the EUs will use a bigger a/c type. (obviously a 747 has a larger PAX than a 777)

If that makes sense.

Regards

Benair

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I sure US Airways don’t

Shaun

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As an aside to this post, does anyone know why US carriers do not use 747’s on transatlantic routes? They are obviously the most efficient type of machine bearing in mind the domination of the type in the fleets of the main European carriers for transatlantic traffic.

Well, to the UK at least?

RE: CArriers

Here you go:
Flight UA 955 – United Airlines Aircraft 777
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 09:05am Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 12:15pm Mar 18
Travel Time 11 hours 10 mins Total Stops None

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Flight UA 907 – United Airlines Aircraft 777
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 09:40am Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 06:20pm Mar 18
Travel Time 16 hours 40 mins Total Stops 01

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Flight BA 285 – British Airways Aircraft 744
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 10:40am Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 01:50pm Mar 18
Travel Time 11 hours 10 mins Total Stops None

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Flight VS 019 – Virgin Atlantic Airways Aircraft 744
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 11:00am Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 02:05pm Mar 18
Travel Time 11 hours 5 mins Total Stops None

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Flight CO 4419 – Continental Airlines * Aircraft 744
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 11:00am Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 02:05pm Mar 18
Travel Time 11 hours 5 mins Total Stops None

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Flight BA 287 – British Airways Aircraft 744
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 01:15pm Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 04:25pm Mar 18
Travel Time 11 hours 10 mins Total Stops None

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Flight AA 47 – American Airlines Aircraft 777
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 02:00pm Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 09:40pm Mar 18
Travel Time 15 hours 40 mins Total Stops 01

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Flight UA 931 – United Airlines Aircraft 777
Depart London, London Heathrow Apt Dep. Time 02:20pm Mar 18
Arrive San Francisco, San Francisco International Apt Arr. Time 05:25pm Mar 18
Travel Time 11 hours 5 mins Total Stops None

This should be of some help!