Carriers for everyone

Or a steam generator separate from the propulsion.

Or a really big kettle:D

Or a steam generator separate from the propulsion.

Smart ****!

(Thanks)

Or a steam generator separate from the propulsion.

In all honesty, I do not know.

I would guess that a properly written fixed-price and no-meddling contract would allow affordable price.

D’oh!

Small problem. No steam on CVF. Hence no Steam catapults. So EMALS or some other system would be required.

Yet, the proposed follow on to the Project 71 Carriers. Will have Catapults and possibly EMALS!

Dude, give it up.
No matter how many fake accounts you keep creating, we will ban you.

And India has specified that these E-2D are for land-based use!

Their carrier-based AEW appears to be a Ka-31* variant.

*whatever the actual designation is I don’t know… but the Russian fan contingent will quickly (and loudly) correct me, I’m sure.

Yet, the proposed follow on to the Project 71 Carriers. Will have Catapults and possibly EMALS!

Country: Portugal
I know that it is unrealistic for Portugal to operate aircraft carriers, but having in mind the naval and exploration heritage I’ll do it anyway.

Type: STOBAR or, preferably, CATOBAR (see below)

Weight: 40,000 tonnes
Length: 270m
Width: 65m
Power supply: Gas Turbine propulsion turning electrical generator 240v
Number of aircraft: 30-35

Type of aircraft:
Fighter/strike aircraft: As many have mentioned the most expensive thing in a carrier is the air wing than the ship itself. Thus I would probably go for a single-engine aircraft like the Harrier or the F-35 C. However, I doubt that the US would be very happy about Portugal acquiring aircraft carriers or that the price of the fighters would end probably being too expensive. Unless another single-engine aircraft was developed the navy would be forced to choose a twin-engine fighter, in this case, the Rafale M (24 aircraft).

AEW: E-2 Hawkeye (2 aircraft) I think that it is better to pay more for a dedicated AEW aircraft than use modified helicopters that will have a shorter range and service ceiling.

ASW: S-3 Viking (4 aircraft) Newly-built upgraded Vikings or a similar aircraft.

Lynx or NH-90 NFH (3 aircraft)

Defensive weapons: RAM launchers and Goalkeeper CIWS

Cheers,

In all honesty, I do not know.

I would guess that a properly written fixed-price and no-meddling contract would allow affordable price.

Al love the idea for 4 QE carriers.
Could be produce these at a reasonable price?

Franglais Joint Carrier Programme

4x QE class
At any 1 time – 1 in refit, at least 2 at Sea
With catapults
With MLG27 not Gambo

Airwing
10x JCA (Joint Carrier Aircraft)
20x Rafaele-M
10x Reaper UAV
4x Lynx Wildcat (planeguard duty mainly use escort’s helos for most stuff)
(surge of extra 10x Rafaele, Helos)

NB: JCA Viking/Turbo-tracker/Hawkeye replacement
Turbofan or Turboprop powered
Tasked for:
AEW or
long-range/large volume ASW or
Maritime patrol or
Tanker or
EW
Sell to RN and MN then (build under licence if necessary and) clean up wrt USN, IN, MDB

Party why not have lets say 6 dedicated F-18 tankers for long range ops?

You will always keep a number of single-seaters back at the carrier as interceptors, even if one or two strike packages are away on offensive missions.
The number of these interceptors varies with threat situation, but to keep a pair up on station at all times will require at least nine aircraft (if you trust in your mission capable rate). Instead of using dedicated escort tankers, which quite frankly is not possible, those tasked as interceptors could be surged for a short time, especially if the threat situation is light and they keep a minimum of, say, two AMRAAM and could still work against aerial threats, albeit in a limited sector. It would be risky, but you’ll never have enough aircraft on a carrier to use some as dedicated escort AAR platform.

What is really missing in all the above setups is the ever delayed/cancelled CSA to replace Hawkeye and Viking. The lack of carrier based wide-area ASW is worrisome. The P-8 will not be available in a number of scenarios, and carriers depending on land based aerial assets is simply a crap concept. Even a large helicopter like the AW101, even when putting the gear on a CH-53K, can’t replace a fast and silent turbojet platform for the job. If I were the French navy I’d ask the DoD if a few Vikings were available for the CdG, even taking into account logistics problems and upgrade costs!

UK medium size STOVL multi role carrier tot replace CVF(cancelled)

Concept: cheap, affordable carrier that can do 85% of CVF at 60% the cost per hull, large flight deck for simultanious launch and recovery ops, in essence a new HMS Hermes Size ship with modern technology.

numbers: 3 build (4th considered to replace HMS Ocean)
Weight -+ 30.000 tons
Length 245 meters
Width: 48 meters
Power supply: COGAG

Number of Aircraft: max 35

Type of Aircraft (consider political implications here):
16 harrier AV-8B plus (with a radar!!)
4 EH101 AEW
4 EH101 ASW + SAR
4 EH101 combat transport
4 apaches

Defencive weapons: 4 goalkeeper systems + 4 .50 caliber all round guns + 3 simbad type short range missile systems (or portable starstreaks on board)

Comments:

– everything is off the shelve hardware, development costs are therefore be minimal
– build 3 to have at least 2 deployable at same time if necesarry
– Future possible upgrades include F35 and osprey
– defensive armament sufficiant to protect against most treats in costal region, long range defense ashured by own harriers with amraam ( meteor in future) + type 45 destroyers

Party why not have lets say 6 dedicated F-18 tankers for long range ops?

Carriers for UK
CVF but as a CVN
and extra Hanger deck for surge or for helicopters for inserting RM’s
36 F-35C
12 F-18G with buddy buddy refuel pods
4 E-2D
4 AW-101
3-C-2
4 A-160 hummingbird
with surge capacity for an extra SQN. of F-35C’s and X-47’s When ready
CATOBAR (EMALS when mature enough)
16 cell VLS for Sea Viper 15/30
4 x RAM launchers
4x Phalanx 1b CIWS
6 x Mk 38 mod 2 MGS for surface self defence
AN/SPY 3 radar
Raytheon SLQ-32(V)4 interception and jamming electronic support and countermeasures system and a Nixie SLQ-25 towed decoy and signal generator set.

Im personally one of those nutter conservative members who wants a United States of Europe.

But I only want the following nations in it.

UK / France / Germany / Spain / Italy / Poland/ Denmark / Holland / Belgium

If I could just have all of those in one group I would be happy. I would create

1 Army – Standing force of 300,000 troops
1 Navy – 9 Aircraft Carriers based on the CVF
1 Airforce – Mix of Eurofighters/F-35/ Rafeals

Begin work on a new 5 Generation fighter

Just imagine that. For me it would be perfect, but only if we were determined in our use of force. A little like the yanks.

What can I saw im a nut. Its mainly about building a Navy that is capable of being considered a true tier 1 navy.

Personally I also want a European Federal State and the EUSSR will consist of the following nations:

France, Spain, Italy, Portgual, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium

I propose the RN use QE class for towing the UK further out into the Atlantic

Hysterical……first buy a Carrier AEW then decide to operate it from land, but to pay for modification so it will at least remind of a true land based AEW endurance, but without the radar range and lacking speed to get out of harms way, and hard pressed to keep up with a strike package for radar coverage.
Build a giant EriEye on Tu-95 i say, the crew can take turn to sleep, it’ll have endurance to loiter over the CBG indefinitely, and enough speed to escort a strike group.

One interesting development was that India is looking to have a wet wing E-2D. This would give it an endurance of 8 hours. If this is done i’m not sure if it would be to heavy for the CTOL carriers but it’s certainly interesting extending the endurance that much.

And India has specified that these E-2D are for land-based use!

Their carrier-based AEW appears to be a Ka-31* variant.

*whatever the actual designation is I don’t know… but the Russian fan contingent will quickly (and loudly) correct me, I’m sure.

UK / France / Germany / Spain / Italy / Poland/ Denmark / Holland / Belgium

Replace Poland with Greece and include Luxembourg and you have the current WEU.
And your LoA is a bit small for that…

Im personally one of those nutter conservative members who wants a United States of Europe.

But I only want the following nations in it.

UK / France / Germany / Spain / Italy / Poland/ Denmark / Holland / Belgium

If I could just have all of those in one group I would be happy. I would create

1 Army – Standing force of 300,000 troops
1 Navy – 9 Aircraft Carriers based on the CVF
1 Airforce – Mix of Eurofighters/F-35/ Rafeals

Begin work on a new 5 Generation fighter

Just imagine that. For me it would be perfect, but only if we were determined in our use of force. A little like the yanks.

What can I saw im a nut. Its mainly about building a Navy that is capable of being considered a true tier 1 navy.

European Standard Blue Water CTOL Carrier:

15 vessels built in a modular fashion
moduls built in suitable yards all across Europe
final assembly in three locations

plus
4 AAW/ASW escorts, 2 fleet replenisher , 1 or 2 SSN
per carrier

max displacement ~55.000 tons
4 WR-21/Generator sets, propulsion via Azipods
angled deck, two em cats, two lifts
36 Sylver 35 cells for MICA VL or CAMM, 4 Millennium guns, Rheinmetall MASS

24 to 30 Rafale/SHornet, 3 E-2D, 6 to 8 ASW AW101, 6+ ISR UAV a la Predator C

Budget: 450 billion Euro over 50 years