Cat Stevens "A terrorist" ?

I haven’t read all of this thread; however IMHO you only have to consider two things:

1, Who first coined the phrase “The War Against Terror” ? 🙁
2, …. and the acronym of that phrase is? :p

You are a crank because you can’t seem to respond objectively to a view contrary to you own without adding a dose of ridicule.

Are there no mirrors in your house, Sauron? 😮

😮 😮 😮

I hardly think putting a retired pop singer on a “Do not enter” list justifies the comparison of U.S. actions with the Gestapo!!!
To even say such a thing belittles the memory of those killed in fighting the Nazi regime.

You make it sound as if you in the christian west hold an exclusive monopoly on not only imparting what is good and dispensing democracy around the globe, but also an exclusive right to victimhood. Only those who are Christians and zionists in the west are liable to suffer, however, not those sub-human darkies, they are evil and should always be dealt with utmost ruthlessness

And here is an alien concept for you, “comparison”, which are made when there is a semblance of something….do read up on its holistic meaning.

Also do ask the hundreds of immigrants and their families who have been rounded up, locked away and abused (in some fortunate cases deported), if their suffering is any less then suffered by others in similar circumstances. Their lives are completely shattered and many still languish in the jails in this land of the free and not one has been formally charged. Reminds me a lot a of the modus operandi of the gestapo — round up the usual suspects, the jews — in our case those rag heads. Since we live in the modern times, the tactics may not be that harsh, fortunately no gas chambers, but the concept and intention of the perpetrators is the same.

Since we are a paragon of tolerance, the light for the rest of the world, the custodian of democracy and human rights, where all men are created [some are created more equal], any trangression a la the Asscroft’s complete circumventing of the constitution should be considered a microcosm of what preceded in the history and condemned as such.

Get rid of those driven by fanatical right wing ideology and go about dealing with the issue of terrorism and other ills in more judicious and inclusive manner and the comparison to gestapo would drop.

Flood

Well to answer your question, no. You are a crank because you can’t seem to respond objectively to a view contrary to you own without adding a dose of ridicule.

Kevin

Such wit. Especially the last part.

Sauron

You know who you are.

Sauron

You want we should report ourselves to the police for being enemies of the state?
Are we cranks because we dare to hold a view that is different from yours?

Flood

You know who you are.

Sauron

And Sauron, as always the good Canadian, knows who George Bush tells him to be.

Regards,

kev35

You know who you are.

Sauron

Me? A crank? That’s true. But if you re-read what Nermal posted then you may get the context. It is not comparing America to Nazi Germany. And if you wish to accuse me of belittling victims of the Nazi’s, why not email a good friend of mine who was in Buchenwald for a few months and still hasn’t forgiven Germans, and ask him if I would perhaps use references to Nazism blithely.

Hey, Sauron, can you get a smaller flag to wave? Your’s blocks out everything in front of you – you’d come across as less pathetic if you could actually see anything other than stars and stripes…..

I doubt there is another nation where … where individuals are as free to hold and voice decenting views.

Although any views that don’t match those of the president as regards the war in Iraq are obviously not decent, it would appear. – Nermal

Did he just call Snapper a crank…?

Flood

Not everyone is impressed by the nonsensical rants, silly comments and the stories told here by a few of the better known cranks.

Absolutely 100% correct in every detail there, Sauron.

Oh yes, indeedy…… :dev2:

John

I agree with your defence of the US media. While it’s easy to get irked at the constant stream of cliches, I find the US news and reviews to be quite balanced and impartial most of the time and seldom slanted or selective about the stories and issues aired. Journalistic diversity in the US is huge, questioning and very critical at times not only of governments, but of American values and beliefs. Anyone who has witnessed a White House news conference knows just how pointed, critical and cold blooded the press corps can be. I doubt there is another nation where the press is as free to discuss the merits (or lack of merits) of government or where individuals are as free to hold and voice decenting views

Not everyone is impressed by the nonsensical rants, silly comments and the stories told here by a few of the better known cranks. 😉

Regards

Sauron

“To even say such a thing belittles the memory of those killed in fighting the Nazi regime.”

No it doesn’t.

I believe what I read in an article in the Daily Telegraph (I think it was, if not then it was The Times): an American writer who had been embedded with the toops but who found that his words were being ‘sexed up’ by his editor because they were almost regarded as traitorous. He was giving the words from the soldier in the field, from the officers on the front line but his stories were rewritten so that each soldier was a superman with no fears and each officer was a military genius in his own right. If anyone questioned what they were doing or why they were there then each sentence was changed to read like something almost out of the presidents handbook…
On talking with others in the media he found that the TV guys were actually being instructed to only interview officers with a positive viewpoint and not to even bother talking to lowly grunts without a PR officer present. This even standard even went back to homeland America with local newspapers apparently happy to verbally run-down anti war protestors without giving them right of reply, but giving full coverage to patriotic groups in a manner described as very much like Nazi Germany prior to WW2. – Nermal

I read of a soldier who was apparently much quoted in his local press for being so totally behind his president that the local veterans organisation wanted to laud him upon his return from Iraq. When he was killed in action his father wanted to hear all that his son had said and got in contact with the syndicate journalist who had interviewed him: the resulting notes apparently bore no resemblance to the story that appeared stateside and his opinions mirrored those of soldiers from every conflict there has ever been – moaning about his officers, the food, the conditions, etc – to the point that the local veterans were divided over whether to remember him or not. His name was retained – only his views and the situation were changed to spice up the story, by a stateside news editor.
In a documentary I saw late one night last winter (or early spring) – repeated from satellite I think – one senior UK journalist talked of (in his view) the obvious impartiality of the American journalists in both Afghanistan and Iraq which could lead to all journalists in the field being regarded as legitimate targets. I suppose that hasn’t really happened yet…

Flood

When Ted Kennedy figures on the list for his vociferous opposition to Bush administration and its misadventures abroad, calling the iraq war a fraud, this issue cannot be trivilized as some bureaucrats running wild. This proves that this administration has been the most beligerant, spiteful, juvenilely vindictive and in muslims’ case quintessentially bigoted of all and not genuinely interested in preserving safety and protecting americans. The only modus operandi the administration is inclined to follow is very well reminiscent of the gestapo going after its perceived political opponents.

I hardly think putting a retired pop singer on a “Do not enter” list justifies the comparison of U.S. actions with the Gestapo!!!
To even say such a thing belittles the memory of those killed in fighting the Nazi regime.

We all know how this happend: The FBI, CIA and all other U.S. 3-letter gov agencies have dug up all their black and red and blue lists of all enemies of the state from back in the 1950’s till today and so tens of thousands of names are on those no-fly lists, that belong there in no way. It’s like Elvis spying on the Beatles because the FBI thought they were communists or something. Cat Steven was classified as subversive or liberal or something back in the 1970’s and so his name ended up on some obscure list, which after 9/11 made its way on the no-fly list. People don’t even know, why they are on those secret no-fly lists, because the “laws” regulating that are secret, and the criterias are secret. One can rightfully say that is the characteristic of a dictatorship. It’s like back in the mid-1930’s in Germany with its “Ermaechtigungsgesetz”. But I still believe in the U.S. and so I say it is just a bunch of friggin beaurocrats gone wild.

When Ted Kennedy figures on the list for his vociferous opposition to Bush administration and its misadventures abroad, calling the iraq war a fraud, this issue cannot be trivilized as some bureaucrats running wild. This proves that this administration has been the most beligerant, spiteful, juvenilely vindictive and in muslims’ case quintessentially bigoted of all and not genuinely interested in preserving safety and protecting americans. The only modus operandi the administration is inclined to follow is very well reminiscent of the gestapo going after its perceived political opponents.

Hey Che,
How do you know the film was trurthful? Most films are fiction and even documentaries, reflect the filmmaker’s viewpoint. Ask Michael Moore. Even he will admit to having an agenda and telling the “afcts” as he sees them to make a point.

Let me get this straight, you want to convince me the media lies by showing me a story done by someone else. If you don’t trust journalists, why would you trust a film maker? Does’t a film director shift facts to suit the story?
It seems a cynical viewpooint like yours (and your friends who are always ranting about the US media being a puppet of…choose one: 1. The government,2. “big business” or 3. “the Jews”), you’d be better off not trusting, or listening to anyone.

Remember, your namesake knew how to spin a story.
The American media brought down a President (Nixon) and have crippled several others. I defy you to prove your Eurocentric impression about the American media when all you know about it is what your are told by people with axes to grind.

Yeah Michael Moore’s 9/11 was a farce to say the least, I’d be the first one to admit it. He made it look like Saudi Arabia has a massive juggernaut over all aspects of US society and policy, hardly truthful. But do catch Control Room, you’ll be surprised.

To all the brain washed supporters of the current Crusade in the M.E. do catch a little known flick called “Control Room”. This will show how the coverage of the profoundly just war against the teethless and largely worn out Iraq, was sugar coated, completely misleading and untruthful.

Hey Che,
How do you know the film was trurthful? Most films are fiction and even documentaries, reflect the filmmaker’s viewpoint. Ask Michael Moore. Even he will admit to having an agenda and telling the “afcts” as he sees them to make a point.

Let me get this straight, you want to convince me the media lies by showing me a story done by someone else. If you don’t trust journalists, why would you trust a film maker? Does’t a film director shift facts to suit the story?
It seems a cynical viewpooint like yours (and your friends who are always ranting about the US media being a puppet of…choose one: 1. The government,2. “big business” or 3. “the Jews”), you’d be better off not trusting, or listening to anyone.

Remember, your namesake knew how to spin a story.
The American media brought down a President (Nixon) and have crippled several others. I defy you to prove your Eurocentric impression about the American media when all you know about it is what your are told by people with axes to grind.

To all the brain washed supporters of the current Crusade in the M.E. do catch a little known flick called “Control Room”. This will show how the coverage of the profoundly just war against the teethless and largely worn out Iraq, was sugar coated, completely misleading and untruthful.