Caveat Emptor eBay!!!

Bob has had his right of reply – and I think its time this rather public spat came to an end.

Those of us who wanted to be warned of the dangers of ebay are now warned.

Those of us that use it to run a business are doubtless poorer off…

I will close it, but leave it as an archived thread for now. Feel free to contact me if you have any issue with that.

Bruce

Whether he has or has not, this thread has long passed being of any conceivable help to members and is merely the public and rather unseemly airing of a personal dispute.

You are not obliged to read it. It may just be of interest and help to others.

Planemike

Those are fair points, Pete and I cannot disagree with them but I have now had enough of it so will vote with my feet and leave the two of them to continue to slag each other off for the benefit of the rest of you. I hope you continue to enjoy reading it.:)

Whether he has or has not, this thread has long passed being of any conceivable help to members and is merely the public and rather unseemly airing of a personal dispute.

I agree with you Charlie, and I’m not taking sides either, but I also think that forums are about freedom of speech, and the only real transgression of the forum rules of conduct I can see in this case is that it should probably be moved to general discussion perhaps.
I enjoy reading it, no one is forced to do so, and I doubt it presents the FP Forum in a particularly bad light to new members or readers in the face of all the very relevant and informative posts to be seen elsewhere on here.

Pete

Whether he has or has not, this thread has long passed being of any conceivable help to members and is merely the public and rather unseemly airing of a personal dispute.

Since Bob was shown as on this thread when and after Moggy posted, it would be interesting to know if he supplied his phone number.

Again, eBays phone number is 0208-080 2105

They will quickly resolve/confirm any account hacking concerns.

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I did try & contact ebay via emails, but got no reply.

I found the customer support by eBay when my account was hacked last year extremely helpful and very expediënt. Matter was solved in five minutes after reporting it using the tool they provide in the menu (through a webbased chatprogram). However, they did not react to my e-mail sent the same time through their general address. Guess it has something to do with their IT-setup?

Bob, you have failed to supply a telephone number by PM as requested.

Can you explain the reason you are unwilling to do so?

Moggy

It is far fetched in the extreme to suggest that an ebay buyer could hack a number of accounts on a computer, purely as a result of opening an email.

Bob, if you have computer problems, download or use some of anti virus software, and get it chugging away. A simple email to ebay and to any other company with whom you hold an account can usually restore service.

It is, I suggest more likely, that you use a simple, identical password for all of your accounts, and one of the bots that spends its days trying to log into websites has succeeded, resulting in your account details being hacked. It is incredibly common, and there is no need to look for conspiracy.

I think it is time to draw a line under the ebay allegations now. Forewarned is forearmed, I think they say.

Bruce

I did a full destructive recovery on my computer after the initial hacking, this wiped out everything that I had stored on my computer, & set it back to the original factory settings.

I did try & contact ebay via emails, but got no reply.

Bob T.

“I hope that the lengthened version of your short story, meets with your approval”

Indeed it does………….However, the sight was advertised as incomplete because the glass and frame head was missing, (and still is!) as was the bottom plug, these I knew about, the adjusting ring I did not, the brass ring in the box (it’s origins are unknown to me) doesn’t even fit the sight, let alone be the correct one; don’t recall being offerd a full refund, but can well imagine that I asked you if you had any Spitfire parts, (on which we could make up the difference) and basically what your saying is you didn’t have any then, and over the eight year period you haven’t had any since?

If you want to tell the folks why I wasn’t able to get hold of you, (over the subsequent years) to ask if you had anything in yet, be my guest, personally I put it down to experience, (and the fact that I sold the empty box on ebay for £20, which helped sweeten the experience)

I have a poor memory at the best of times, but yours must be even worse than mine. You were offered a full refund, which you turned down, you then made a suggestion of a partial refund, which you received. I did not offer to supply other spitfire, or any other parts to try & sweeten the deal. You bought the sight at far below what similar sights in the same condition were being sold at, you then got it even cheaper because I took your word for it, that the ring was the wrong one.

Bob T.

:stupid:

I have not condemned you, I think you are making a pretty good fist of that without my help! I have merely shared my experience with members of the forum and advised them to be careful.

My sincere apologies for your difficulty in finding my thread on the aerodrome forum, whilst latin is a dead language I thought most forumites would have a sufficient grasp to know what it meant. As for repros yes i have no objection to them per se (sorry more latin) there are some very good repros but I would like to know what i am buying. Retrotech make excellent repros and i suspect others also.

I am a little confused by the comment regarding your health? If all of the messages i received were not from you but apparently concocted by the ‘hacker’ why would anyone need to verify the contents of those messages with your actual doctor? Further why would you confirm the content of those messages if you had not written them? I think if you are going to make up stories you need to be very careful not to catch yourself out!:stupid:

The only person who has just caught himself out, is you. So far we only have your word that you received any messages whatso ever. the person who hacked my computer would also know of my health problems, which you mentiond in the first place :highly_amused:.

Bob T.

Mods, does this public bickering have anything to do with the rest of us anymore? I take no sides but cannot see the continuation of this private spat contributing anything to this forum.

As i have said, I would be more than happy to meet name the time and the place!

Didn’t you say nearly exactly the same thing to me about a year or so ago, you suggested meeting up at Guy’s, so that you could have a look at the Televel gauge I had, & see if we could sort out an exchange. How did that go. Well if you can’t remember, I’ll remind you. You constantly kept giving me a different excuse, why you couldn’t meet up, excuse after excuse for several months, during which time I had turned down an exchange for several instruments that I needed, me being the silly twit that I am, would have preffered to exchange it for knackerd bits of Hawker biplane, so I kept hoping that we would be able to meet up, but in the end I became sick & tired of your constant excuses, & just put it down to you being a timewaster.

Bob T.

It doesn’t look as though Moggy has both phone numbers yet. If not, why not?

Andy,

I’ve just noticed that Bob/Sopwith posted that thread on the other forum yesterday at 05.47 AM although at the foot of every page it says times are GMT minus 8hrs, therefore the library that Bob/Sopwith is using to access his mail etc… must have been open at 21.47 hrs !!!!!

Smells fishier than a fish to me.

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I take it that you now know I was telling the truth about the library etc. & thank you so much for your appology for basically calling me a laer in the first plac., OH sorry, I must be getting ahead of myself, there was no appology ?????.

Bob T.

yes i have the messages and i am happy to post them. Mods? If not allowed i can forward them to a mod who can view them absolutely no issue at all.

Then do so

Bob T.

Do you have any actual evidence to back this statement up? or is it just another implausible story? You have not established that you have actually had any computer, account etc issues you have just told everyone that you have. All very convenient, if you have been having these issues for what must be months why have you not sorted it out? no one can explain why any of the above would happen because it is implausible, extremely convenient in the circumstances and complete unsubstantiated.

Can you confirm whether you have/had two asi’s for sale on eBay or is this all part of the elaborate conspiracy to discredit you? It is a simple question that you have not answered either here or on the aerodrome forum.

I do not have any ww1 ASI’s for sale on ebay, nor have I sold any WW1 ASI’s on ebay.

I believed that I had sorted out the problem with the hacking of my computer, I did a full reset back to the original factory settings, this wiped out all the data that I had stored on the computer, ontop of which I believed that it would get rid of any viruses etc that had been put on my computer, guess I was wrong about that.

It’s no more implausible than your fairy tail. “OOH I bid on an ASI that I think is a fake, I didn’t bother to try & contact the seller at anytime before bidding, despite my fears that it was fake, I didn’t know who the seller was, despite the fact that Bob Trickett goes by the name of sopwithy.7f1 on this forum. I have no idea why he would suspect me of trying to discredit him, despite the fact that I had already made out that he was trying to sell a load of Kestrel spares, that I said probably didn’t exist, & that he wouldn’t let me buy them from his friend etc etc”.

Bob T.

Along the way there have certainly been a good many ‘issues’ with e-bay goods and sellers flagged up here that have surely been helpful to the historic aviation community. I say that without any specific judgement as to the vendor or his goods in this instance, but facts are facts. Those facts are that a lot of people have been warned off getting burnt fingers after asking about listings, or else others have flagged up things they have seen. That can only be for the good of the historic aviation community.

I agree. Sorry Scott but i’m glad i’ve been made aware of more eBay listings that have doubtful provenance. Especially if the vendor has 3yrs porridge for fraud and negative feedback for same.

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