Cavour vs Vikramditya

you can make the same argument about other countries enforcing IP on Russia. Point is, respecting your contract is the moral thing to do.

why some one will enforce IP against russia. Boeing/Samsung/Intel/Renault?
Even Microsoft droped piracy issue.

right, if it’s so low end work, are the russians build LNG carriers and VLCCs?

There is no point in investing LNG technology when you can buy off the shelft. Russians can live without LNG as they have Land mass f

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/3826
Powerful Russian ice breaker launched
The Ice-breaker’s engine, with an astonishing 75 thousand horse power is one of the biggest in the world. It is strong enough to break through 4-metre-thick ice fields.
By the end of the construction some of the mechanisms were out of date and had to be replaced, but the vessel’s main advantages remained.

It is interesting to note that a nuclear-powered ice-breaker is cleaner than its counterparts. It does not produce any hazardous materials. Diesel ships, for example, result in tonnes of soot.
And the vessel’s interior looks more like a luxury cruise liner, so that polar explorers feel at home. It has a gym, a swimming-pool and a sauna. When approaching the Arctic, the pool fills with water straight from the sea. It’s crystal clear.

point is, they offer more now than they ever did before.

They are not offering more now. essentially the same stuff with updates.

lol, you certainly would know more about background discussions than J-10’s avionics developer. You sure do know more about the export/domestic pricing than insiders in China. lol, star49, the unveiler

I have clearly understanding J-10 avionics just by looking at it.

that’s 1989, Chinese technology has changed a lot in 20 years. So, I guess you have no clue what the website I posted says, so you just rambled on with some random stuff.

the date is clearly 1997 not 1989. i was mentioning what kind of party bought Chinese turbines? every country has different level of customers.

I am sure you wont understand it.

Business in Civilized manner? This pretty much standard practice for them. Increasing price with time but delay is because not enough workers are there on particular project. as they have other Strategic projects like building ground work for conquering Arctic.
Rest of the world should be glad that Russia is not enforcing its its IP price on the rest of the world for Past 300 years Scientific achievement.

you can make the same argument about other countries enforcing IP on Russia. Point is, respecting your contract is the moral thing to do.

mass production of commerical of ship is labor intensive low end work just like making Tall building. there is no such thing as light years. and aircraft carrier does not take more than 3 years from Start to finish if finances are there & you know how to build it.

right, if it’s so low end work, are the russians build LNG carriers and VLCCs?

so when this Su-35 project started? it is pretty old story. Development was slow becuase there was no demand for expensive flanker but now they have attarched it PAK-FA project for training workers for mass production & pilot training for 3D TVC.

point is, they offer more now than they ever did before.

This complete nonsense. First there is no settlement of avionics or contract price. and China is not building stuff cheap thats why even Thailand can export Toyota cars. there is minimal price difference in high end stuff. Even laptop computer price between Malayia/Japan/Taiwan/China has harld 20% price difference.

lol, you certainly would know more about background discussions than J-10’s avionics developer. You sure do know more about the export/domestic pricing than insiders in China. lol, star49, the unveiler

And Ukriane spent that great amount of money on Turbines R&D in past 15 years.? offcourse China can directly learn from Siemens/Powemachines. Nothing special. This turbine based on MIG-31 engine. Essentially early 70s Technology. Ur whole technology is based on mix& match collection from rest of the world. Even the CFTE simulator comes from 1989 made Russian company.
I need english translation for your link. I want to see the customer Is it private or public.

that’s 1989, Chinese technology has changed a lot in 20 years. So, I guess you have no clue what the website I posted says, so you just rambled on with some random stuff.

Look, how many times do people have to spell it out for you? China, India, South Korea and others have done exactly what the USSR and Russia did, they’re using external technology transfers and technical assistance to massively accelerate their own development. That doesn’t detract from their achievements. Did Russia achieve nuclear controlled fission first? No. commercial nuclear power? No. Heavier than air flight? No. The steam turbine? No. The gas turbine/jet engine? No. The industrial revolution? No. The internal combustion engine? No. The computer? No. The list could go on, nobody here would see that as detracting from subsequent Russian technical achievements but it pulls the floor out from under the feet of racist half wits who claim that China, India, South Korea etc. following the same path of technical development proves they’re less intelligent and incapable of true achievement. I mean, what a co-incidence that the Soviets just happened to build a bomber that was identical to the B29:rolleyes:

And u simply are not capable of comprehending what i am writing. I never claimed that Russia/Soviet achive first (which is not possible in most instance because of lack of financial system) or they didnot look outside observation. The point is They did not Recieved direct foreign investment nor millions of there people worked & Study in West to bring back Western ideas/Knowledge/Management traing. Soviet/Russia immigrant became part of West not to come back & create outsourcing trend to the same companies where they worked. But there is direct transfer of Science/Maths knowledge from Russia to West spanning over centuries. Just look at some Nobel Prize winner. Even in economics field (which presumbly they should be weak) russian born US got nobel prize.
I have never raised the B-29 bomber issue the same way like MIG-21 with China but here is again point how long they building B-29 & how long China building MIG-21 clones.

Look, how many times do people have to spell it out for you? China, India, South Korea and others have done exactly what the USSR and Russia did, they’re using external technology transfers and technical assistance to massively accelerate their own development. That doesn’t detract from their achievements. Did Russia achieve nuclear controlled fission first? No. commercial nuclear power? No. Heavier than air flight? No. The steam turbine? No. The gas turbine/jet engine? No. The industrial revolution? No. The internal combustion engine? No. The computer? No. The list could go on, nobody here would see that as detracting from subsequent Russian technical achievements but it pulls the floor out from under the feet of racist half wits who claim that China, India, South Korea etc. following the same path of technical development proves they’re less intelligent and incapable of true achievement. I mean, what a co-incidence that the Soviets just happened to build a bomber that was identical to the B29:rolleyes:

I’m not sure what you are talkin about here.

I am sure you wont understand it.

right, the Russians don’t know how to do business in a civilized manner. There is nothing that Adm G has that better carriers don’t have. Which goes back to the original topic that Vik is a rip-off.

Business in Civilized manner? This pretty much standard practice for them. Increasing price with time but delay is because not enough workers are there on particular project. as they have other Strategic projects like building ground work for conquering Arctic.
Rest of the world should be glad that Russia is not enforcing its its IP price on the rest of the world for Past 300 years Scientific achievement.

what does that have to do with it? The Chinese shipbuilding industry is light years ahead of its aerospace and auto industry. The carrier project has already started and we will probably see photos coming out of Shanghai in a couple of years and it will be ready by the time Chinese naval flankers are ready.

mass production of commerical of ship is labor intensive low end work just like making Tall building. there is no such thing as light years. and aircraft carrier does not take more than 3 years from Start to finish if finances are there & you know how to build it.

the Russians are only offering more goodies now than they did before. You think they offered su-35s 3 years ago?

so when this Su-35 project started? it is pretty old story. Development was slow becuase there was no demand for expensive flanker but now they have attarched it PAK-FA project for training workers for mass production & pilot training for 3D TVC.

yeah, that’s because it’s making so much money on these exports. The J-10 avionics designer actually told everyone that the J-10 exported to pakistan will be 50% more expensive than the domestic ones. You clearly have no idea how cheaply China is building its fleet right now.

This complete nonsense. First there is no settlement of avionics or contract price. and China is not building stuff cheap thats why even Thailand can export Toyota cars. there is minimal price difference in high end stuff. Even laptop computer price between Malayia/Japan/Taiwan/China has harld 20% price difference.

The current generation of gas turbine developed in China actually has better numbers than the Ukrainian ones if you ever checked them out.

from the official avic1 website
http://www.avic1.com.cn/chinese/xwzx/detail/20080104_9.htm

And Ukriane spent that great amount of money on Turbines R&D in past 15 years.? offcourse China can directly learn from Siemens/Powemachines. Nothing special. This turbine based on MIG-31 engine. Essentially early 70s Technology. Ur whole technology is based on mix& match collection from rest of the world. Even the CFTE simulator comes from 1989 made Russian company.

http://www.avid.ru/eng/advanced-developments/modifications-d-30f6/D-30STU/
Version III :

rotation direction : counter-clockwise, other data according to version II.

Length of the engine (from the inlet up to a flange of power turbine shaft): 6.4 m.

Year of service entry : 1997

Customer : CATIC, PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

I need english translation for your link. I want to see the customer Is it private or public.

why they have to put up with diesel SSK when there main task is atomic and now even more atomic since they want to explore Arctic. and Russia certianly export 3 Kilo to Iran & 8 to India. plenty of export experiance.

I’m not sure what you are talkin about here.

It is unique interms of capability. Just think over it. and Russia like contract in early 2004 but not in 2007. they did the same way with Noraway. Chemical tankers will be built and will be sold at Market price to highest bidder. Dont try to automatically apply worldwide business practices to Russia.

right, the Russians don’t know how to do business in a civilized manner. There is nothing that Adm G has that better carriers don’t have. Which goes back to the original topic that Vik is a rip-off.

No u cant. thats why all Civillian airlines in the world are Chinese made along with all VW cars from past 20 years?

what does that have to do with it? The Chinese shipbuilding industry is light years ahead of its aerospace and auto industry. The carrier project has already started and we will probably see photos coming out of Shanghai in a couple of years and it will be ready by the time Chinese naval flankers are ready.

definitely offered? and 2005 was 3 years ago. here things changes with in days.

the Russians are only offering more goodies now than they did before. You think they offered su-35s 3 years ago?

Nope. 1 export Yuan will be cheaper than 1 domestic going by other export stuff. i can even say that China will offer generaous export loans with flexible payments.

yeah, that’s because it’s making so much money on these exports. The J-10 avionics designer actually told everyone that the J-10 exported to pakistan will be 50% more expensive than the domestic ones. You clearly have no idea how cheaply China is building its fleet right now.

They are not reiventing the same wheel. They are going into different generation.

The current generation of gas turbine developed in China actually has better numbers than the Ukrainian ones if you ever checked them out.

link please and purpose? Bought by first class service company to power or some poor who cannot afford nothing else.

from the official avic1 website
http://www.avic1.com.cn/chinese/xwzx/detail/20080104_9.htm

That’s why they split it amongst 3 shipyards and none in Sevmash. In fact, the Russians had more experience building it for China than for themselves.

why they have to put up with diesel SSK when there main task is atomic and now even more atomic since they want to explore Arctic. and Russia certianly export 3 Kilo to Iran & 8 to India. plenty of export experiance.

http://www.sevmash.ru/?lg=en
FSUE «PO «Sevmash» is the largest ship-building complex in Russia, the only shipyard of the country, the main task of which is atomic submarines building for Navy

Yes, every carrier is unique, but there is nothing unique in terms of capability. If you don’t like the price and delivery schedule, don’t agree to it.

It is unique interms of capability. Just think over it. and Russia like contract in early 2004 but not in 2007. they did the same way with Noraway. Chemical tankers will be built and will be sold at Market price to highest bidder. Dont try to automatically apply worldwide business practices to Russia.

http://www.sevmash.ru/?id=3872&lg=en
Thereby FSUE PO Sevmash notify that chemical tankers construction, Project P-668, will carry on. The works on the vessels have not stropped and are going on at the moment. Upon completion the vessels will be put up for sale at the market price that will result in a break even project

right, we can.

No u cant. thats why all Civillian airlines in the world are Chinese made along with all VW cars from past 20 years?

They were definitely offered after peace mission 05 and China showed no interest

definitely offered? and 2005 was 3 years ago. here things changes with in days.

That I can believe after seeing the way you ripped off Venezuela, but then again, 1 export Yuan will probably be the price of 2 export Yuan.

Nope. 1 export Yuan will be cheaper than 1 domestic going by other export stuff. i can even say that China will offer generaous export loans with flexible payments.

You have the IP, but it takes time and money to build the factories and train the people to build these trubines.

They are not reiventing the same wheel. They are going into different generation.

QC-70 is derived from WS-10A and QC-128 is derived from WS-9. That’s fine, by they delivered 3 QD-100 gas turbine electricity generators to Kazakhstan in this past year, not a bad job from these stupid Asians, huh?

link please and purpose? Bought by first class service company to power or some poor who cannot afford nothing else.

Export things are totally different. U have to deal with very different set of requirements. and Russia does not have any workers left for cheap export products. they have plenty work for there own SSBN/SSN/SSK

That’s why they split it amongst 3 shipyards and none in Sevmash. In fact, the Russians had more experience building it for China than for themselves.

Every thing is unique about Gorshov from Aircraft to missile sytem to price and delivery schedule.

Yes, every carrier is unique, but there is nothing unique in terms of capability. If you don’t like the price and delivery schedule, don’t agree to it.

so u can build things by mere observing others. with no attempt of operating for a decades.

right, we can.

And Russia is not interested in Selling either. All there workers will be busy in to build there own boats for next 20 years. Unless some very pricey export contracts come by or political consideration for favoring outside country.

They were definitely offered after peace mission 05 and China showed no interest

I told you so. those days are over. Russia selling will be a favor with a big price tag. Price of 1 Export Amur can become equal to 5 Yuans.

That I can believe after seeing the way you ripped off Venezuela, but then again, 1 export Yuan will probably be the price of 2 export Yuan.

and who built those factories inside Ukraine. Did they discover by themselves?

You have the IP, but it takes time and money to build the factories and train the people to build these trubines.

You clearly said that China has start building turbines(i have to figure out its origin) but Russia still relies on Ukrainian but my answer Russia isnt interested in kind of turbines that China is building.

QC-70 is derived from WS-10A and QC-128 is derived from WS-9. That’s fine, by they delivered 3 QD-100 gas turbine electricity generators to Kazakhstan in this past year, not a bad job from these stupid Asians, huh?

While, the Vikramditya has its fair share of issues. They will hopefully be worked out? That said, in the future who knows? Maybe India will select the Super Hornet for the MMRCA and down the road possibly F-35’s! Which, would change the whole ball game…….:diablo:

China, do you know how fast they built those Songs/Yuans? And while doing this, they were also flooded with commercial+ other military orders. Why do you think they are not putting any more order for Kilos/Amurs and just continuously building more Yuan now? We are talking about ships, not aircrafts. If you want to talk about that, open a thread in the aircraft section and we will talk about it there.

Export things are totally different. U have to deal with very different set of requirements. and Russia does not have any workers left for cheap export products. they have plenty work for there own SSBN/SSN/SSK

what unique product? Explain what’s so unique about Adm G or Kilos or anything else. If you think the price is too low, mark it higher. What kind of business practice is it to trick people into signing low prices and then blackmail into paying higher prices?

Every thing is unique about Gorshov from Aircraft to missile sytem to price and delivery schedule.

there is a difference between operate and build. By studying the structure of a carrier, you learn a lot that can help you to build your own carrier.

so u can build things by mere observing others. with no attempt of operating for a decades.

diesel subs? We are not buying anything from the Russians anymore, get that through your head.

And Russia is not interested in Selling either. All there workers will be busy in to build there own boats for next 20 years. Unless some very pricey export contracts come by or political consideration for favoring outside country.

If your diesel subs were any good, we would placed an order for Amur buy now. Now, do you really think we fancy those Akulas? Why keep on making test launches? Is China trying to give US even more ammunition for China threat argument?

I told you so. those days are over. Russia selling will be a favor with a big price tag. Price of 1 Export Amur can become equal to 5 Yuans.

As for gas turbine, you’ve basically built one gas turbine after the break up. And you are boasting about that? Ukraine still has you dominated.

and who built those factories inside Ukraine. Did they discover by themselves?

what the heck are you talking about? I never said anything about other countries not being able to build gas turbine. Where did I say only China knows how to build gas turbine? You got some serious issues with Asian technology, just pointing you out that these backward Asians are building gas turbines, yet Russia is still depending on the Ukrainians.

You clearly said that China has start building turbines(i have to figure out its origin) but Russia still relies on Ukrainian but my answer Russia isnt interested in kind of turbines that China is building.

they are certainly not more capable than Kilo. All 8 Kilos were devilvered in 4 years after contract. Can u show any nation in the world who can do this?. And that was pretty busy time. As they were dealing with Indian and there own submarines orders. how is FC-1/J-10 quantity going?

China, do you know how fast they built those Songs/Yuans? And while doing this, they were also flooded with commercial+ other military orders. Why do you think they are not putting any more order for Kilos/Amurs and just continuously building more Yuan now? We are talking about ships, not aircrafts. If you want to talk about that, open a thread in the aircraft section and we will talk about it there.

So do u think it is retail industry that customer service matter. These are unique products not available any where else at this price.

what unique product? Explain what’s so unique about Adm G or Kilos or anything else. If you think the price is too low, mark it higher. What kind of business practice is it to trick people into signing low prices and then blackmail into paying higher prices?

U learn from carrier when u actually operate it. Not just park it and observe. I doubt China can operationally got a carrier in next 20 years.

there is a difference between operate and build. By studying the structure of a carrier, you learn a lot that can help you to build your own carrier.

Again more nonsense. U cannot even compete in diesel submarines let alone SSBN. How many ICBMs/SLBM with u have operational?. how many test launches per year?. Russians built whole science behind Gas turbines and built factoreis in several republics. ever thought about Siemens & Power machinese. why do u think Reanult/Nissan was after Autovaz at any price?
They are in now whole different level.

diesel subs? We are not buying anything from the Russians anymore, get that through your head. If your diesel subs were any good, we would placed an order for Amur buy now. Now, do you really think we fancy those Akulas? Why keep on making test launches? Is China trying to give US even more ammunition for China threat argument?
As for gas turbine, you’ve basically built one gas turbine after the break up. And you are boasting about that? Ukraine still has you dominated.

so next u will be start claiming that China has start building Single engine J-10/FC-1 and no single fighter is currently built in Russia so only China knows Single engine fighter.

what the heck are you talking about? I never said anything about other countries not being able to build gas turbine. Where did I say only China knows how to build gas turbine? You got some serious issues with Asian technology, just pointing you out that these backward Asians are building gas turbines, yet Russia is still depending on the Ukrainians.

They are certainly more capable than those Kilos we got. Which took several years to complete. And the entire Sov contract was really well done, just the typical late delivery + fire accidents.

they are certainly not more capable than Kilo. All 8 Kilos were devilvered in 4 years after contract. Can u show any nation in the world who can do this?. And that was pretty busy time. As they were dealing with Indian and there own submarines orders. how is FC-1/J-10 quantity going?

so, the Indians got duped again, ever thought about treating your customers with some respect?

So do u think it is retail industry that customer service matter. These are unique products not available any where else at this price.

what makes you think that’s going to be their first carrier? This is a pretty faulty assumption. Anyone with a half brain probably would’ve figure out by now that it’s main purpose was for studying.

U learn from carrier when u actually operate it. Not just park it and observe. I doubt China can operationally got a carrier in next 20 years.

Once 095 gets launched in the next few years, it won’t be the case anymore. Still hung up on the Akulas? But hey, it’s time that the Russians to start building their own gas turbines. After all, even this really backward race called the Chinese people have started to build gas turbines. What a shocker.

Again more nonsense. U cannot even compete in diesel submarines let alone SSBN. How many ICBMs/SLBM with u have operational?. how many test launches per year?. Russians built whole science behind Gas turbines and built factoreis in several republics. ever thought about Siemens & Power machinese. why do u think Reanult/Nissan was after Autovaz at any price?
They are in now whole different level.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car_news/chinese_car_flunks_russian_crash_test_car_news
Chinese Car Flunks Russian Crash Test – Car News

August 2007

A Chery Amulet sedan was “one of the worst performers…ever,” in a crash test conducted by AvtoRevu, a leading Russian auto magazine, according to a Wall Street Journal story.

Russia is China’s biggest auto-export market, and the $9,000 Amulet is the top-selling Chinese model in Russia, selling 10,119 cars in the first half of 2007, up from 702 in the same period a year earlier.

A state-accredited safety testing center passed the Amulet in the “rudimentary tests” required for cars sold in Russia — where price typically outweighs safety for budget-minded consumers — and the car remains on the road today, the WSJ said.

“We have never seen such terrible deformation of a car’s body,” AvtoRevu reporter Yury Vetrov, who observed the tests, wrote in his article

so next u will be start claiming that China has start building Single engine J-10/FC-1 and no single fighter is currently built in Russia so only China knows Single engine fighter.

Yuan class belongs to what Russia was capable of building in 1980s. It is practiacally obsolete. It cant match French Agusta-90B of 1980s. and now Russian shipyards are only concentrating on domestic shipyards. They arent interested in money losing export contracts. I cant imagine newer Amur class less than $500M a piece. Even newer Kilo to algeria and venzueal is more than $300M.

They are certainly more capable than those Kilos we got. Which took several years to complete. And the entire Sov contract was really well done, just the typical late delivery + fire accidents.

U have to remember Russia had been dealing with India for past 50 years so they had experiance in getting contract by low balling in the begining and later on adding the price. Pretty much standard practice.

so, the Indians got duped again, ever thought about treating your customers with some respect?

Is that why you have been reworking the Varyag at Dalian for past four years? You are getting beyond boring with your bias, get a life..

what makes you think that’s going to be their first carrier? This is a pretty faulty assumption. Anyone with a half brain probably would’ve figure out by now that it’s main purpose was for studying.

Russia has clear lead in SSK/SSN/SSBN and associated missle system in all aspects. as well as Naval Aviation.
you are not going to see bigger boats in Ru Navy becasue they are developing completely new generation power plants independent of Ukriane prduction.
and where is invention comes from?

Once 095 gets launched in the next few years, it won’t be the case anymore. Still hung up on the Akulas? But hey, it’s time that the Russians to start building their own gas turbines. After all, even this really backward race called the Chinese people have started to build gas turbines. What a shocker.

There you all go. The Japanese have never achieved anything:rolleyes: There is no high tech outside the military world:rolleyes: There was no technology in Israel before the wave of Soviet emmigration with the collapse of Communism:rolleyes: I rest my case.

When u compare high tech of Military Vs Civillian than Military is on much higher side. it is another thing that u canot sell it in retail store or make money out of it from General public. and Soviet emmigration started much before Soviet collapse. U have to look into past 150 years history.

In ability looking beyond military for high tech as if high tech exists without military Science? from where this internet, high end software, satellites, high powered engines, compact nuclear reactors came from?
I feel sorry for Japanese that the need West for rescuing Nissan/Mazda/Mitsubishi/Suzuki/Subaru/Sony and have to built design studios in West for Toyota/Honda to keep them float. and there best minds and resources were not even tied down in defence Industrial complex or direct wars or supporting third world countries wars like Russia did. . Ever thought about Samsung/LG how closed 40 year gap with Japanese in less than 10 years. or more than 1 million immigrants went to Israel that transform into high tech power in 80s. did all of them came from Asia?
You cannot ignore facts just by saying some one is racist. the rest of the countries are not even worth discussing.

There you all go. The Japanese have never achieved anything:rolleyes: There is no high tech outside the military world:rolleyes: There was no technology in Israel before the wave of Soviet emmigration with the collapse of Communism:rolleyes: I rest my case.

:confused: Where do you see that in his response? I have been thru it several times but failed to locate any racistic context.:confused:

If you go through star49’s posts on this forum you will find a continual overtone of racism. The theme being that asians can not do science.

Star49 has a history of writing off anything and everything achieved by India, China, Japan etc. as rubish/copying/low tech blah blah blah, he has a pathological inability to accept that these countries are capable of high tech engineering/science. He is incapable of looking beyond military hardware and writes Japan off as a country of low achievement, so who else here lives in a world where Japan is incapable of world beating high tech? I’m sure the average Japanese wishes they could swap places with some of the other “real high tech” countries:rolleyes:

In ability looking beyond military for high tech as if high tech exists without military Science? from where this internet, high end software, satellites, high powered engines, compact nuclear reactors came from?
I feel sorry for Japanese that the need West for rescuing Nissan/Mazda/Mitsubishi/Suzuki/Subaru/Sony and have to built design studios in West for Toyota/Honda to keep them float. and there best minds and resources were not even tied down in defence Industrial complex or direct wars or supporting third world countries wars like Russia did. . Ever thought about Samsung/LG how closed 40 year gap with Japanese in less than 10 years. or more than 1 million immigrants went to Israel that transform into high tech power in 80s. did all of them came from Asia?
You cannot ignore facts just by saying some one is racist. the rest of the countries are not even worth discussing.

:confused: Where do you see that in his response? I have been thru it several times but failed to locate any racistic context.:confused:

Star49 has a history of writing off anything and everything achieved by India, China, Japan etc. as rubish/copying/low tech blah blah blah, he has a pathological inability to accept that these countries are capable of high tech engineering/science. He is incapable of looking beyond military hardware and writes Japan off as a country of low achievement, so who else here lives in a world where Japan is incapable of world beating high tech? I’m sure the average Japanese wishes they could swap places with some of the other “real high tech” countries:rolleyes:

Its not found on his post, but have you looked lawrences? He is pointing out in every single reply that him (starsky) is making racist comments…

….and that should be sufficient enough for all of us, he is a lord, isen’t he:rolleyes: 😉

You really do hate foreigners, especially foreigners with darker skin or different shaped eyes don’t you?

:confused: Where do you see that in his response? I have been thru it several times but failed to locate any racistic context.:confused: