CFS3 – A crock of poo

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And what is more – you can teach monkeys to fly better than that…

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You know, it wouldn’t install on my PC. 5 hours I wasted. Then tried through the CDRW drive, and it went straight in…curious. At www.simviation.com they are all going nuts over it, it seems that M$ has upset loads of people. But hey – if you want the best software, it ain’t going to work on ‘old’ technology.

Now, I have twin 866 PIII’s, 800mb RAM, 32mb graphics card, and updated all my drivers. Occasionally the screen will freeze and I have to reboot, but generally not. I turned many display settings down (why the hell do I want to look at the ground?) after a while, and got a better game through doing so. I have the no-cd patch, which may or may not have a bearing on things to some degree (not having to access the CD). And I defragment my hard-drives every few days.

But is it just me, or is it not as much fun as CFS and CFS 2?

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ahh the flight modelling in all MSFS is pretty P**s poor……Can you believe you can spin a learjet across your screen and then stop it by centring the controls………….

Its not what it is, its the quality of the numbers that does it….and of course lookup tables for EVERYTHING will never assure realism in the grand scheme of things.

coanda

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>Thanks. Back to Europe again eh..Is it a hypothetical
>continuance of WW2?

Sort of, Microsoft wanted to go low level over Europe, and harped on about the graphics engine being designed for low level detail. So why they included some fairly high alt bombers I don’t know. In fact the flight modelling at high alt is pretty p**s poor, try it out and see what I mean.

Personally I don’t think CFS3 looks that much different from CFS2 especially with some of the later addons that were pushing it to the limit.

After playing IL2 for sometime now I have to say it is probably one of the best (if not the best) WW2 flight sim out there. CFS has always seemed a bit of an arcade afair to me, especially after the aforementioned IL2.

I would say CFS3 is worth buying if you have the hardware to back it up and don’t own CFS2. However CFS2 must be on a budget range by now, and there are some corking addons for it, plus the specs to run it are a lot lower than the third installment.

The next version of IL2 is out in the new year mid Jan I think, titled Forgoten Battles. And its not an addon! Yes thats right it is a standalone product, people looking to buy a sim could wait for that one, it looks supberb!

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>I now have 2002 pro and it does the same but the comp I have
>only runs it with the beechcraft and cessna sized files
>anything bigger crashes it.

I hate to see a fellow simmer in trouble 🙂

I’ve got a fix for you Merlin. I had the same problems, I assumed it was my graphics card so I swapped to reference drivers but that didn’t help.

I checked a few things and soon realised that it wasn’t the graphics at all, but the sound!

If you run DirectX config program goto sound settings and take the acceleration down to standard/basic. Then try FS2002, hopefully you will find eveything works. If so you can go back to dxconfig and up the sound acceleration a notch, but not to max as FS2002 will crash again.

If you need more info I’ll be glad to help.

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Well, either “what if”, or around 1945. All these planes were operational, or about to be.

Have a look on www.avsim.com

Here is the exhaustive list

Bombers and Twin engined fighters
North American B-25 (Models G, H, J)
Martin B-26 Marauder, (C, G Models)
Junkers Ju88A-4, 88C-6, 88P-4
De Havilland Mosquito (4, 6, 18 variants)
Lockheed P-38 Lightening (Models D, J, L)

Fighters
Supermarine Spitfire 9 (Models C, E)
North American P-51 Mustang (B, D)
Focke Wulf Fw190A (-5, -8 )
Messerschmitt Bf-109 (Models 6, 10)
Hawker Tempest 5
Hawker Typhoon IB
Republic P-47D, P-47D-25 Thunderbolt

Jets
Messerschmitt 262A-1a, 262-1a/U4, 262A-2a
Go 229A (Flying wing!)
De Havilland Vampire F1
Lockheed P-80A Shooting Star

“X-Planes”
Dornier 335A-1, 335B-2
Curtiss P-55 Ascender

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>Glenn: WW2, Europe, planes like Do335, P55 Ascender, DH
>Vampire, AR234, and some other “more classic” planes.

Thanks. Back to Europe again eh..Is it a hypothetical continuance of WW2?

Regards, Glenn.

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>I was thinking of getting CFS3, is it worth buying??

NO no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!

NO!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely not!

Have mine. Twenty five quid and it’s yours!

Moggy

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I’ve got a 900MHz Celeron in my PC, with a 64Mb Geforce 2 and 384Mb of RAM, CFS2 runs like a dream on the highest graphics setting.

I was thinking of getting CFS3, is it worth buying??

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Glenn: WW2, Europe, planes like Do335, P55 Ascender, DH Vampire, AR234, and some other “more classic” planes.

Merlin, Maybe the I810 graphics chipset can’t cope with what FS2002 wants. I have an Athlon 1100 with 760 MB Ram + TNT2, and the grapgics are realy slow, the FPS rate is indecent (around 5 – 10 maybe)

So, the key is a BIG graphics card, like Geforce 4 Ti and enough RAM.

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Guys

you have got to remember that it isnt how fast your comp or graphics are its what crap you have floatingaround inside clogging up the system. I would suggest running a scandisk a defrag and remove anything that you dont use then try again.

For instance CFS2 runs on my comp and can stall quite a bit. So I removed it and after that I had a failure (nothing to do with cfs2) so I erased the whole disk and started again. cfs2 ran great.

I now have 2002 pro and it does the same but the comp I have only runs it with the beechcraft and cessna sized files anything bigger crashes it.

The comp I have is celeron 466 with 64mb ram intel 810 chipset

hardly surprising it doesnt run that well is it.

Merlin

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CFS3!!??!! Man, I am behind, I didn’t know that had released it. CFS2 was the Pacific, what does this one entail?

Regards, Glenn.

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Hi Simmer

“I’ve got a 1.4 Athlon, GeForce2 PRO reference drivers, 512MB RAM and 7,200rpm HD. I can run CFS3 on 1024×768 and all detail settings on 4 (5 is max), now and again the frame rate will drop horrendously and the action will jump, but overall its not too bad I suppose.”

So like me (My machine is almost exactly the same spec) you’ve a machine with a current retail price of about 700 quid, you’ve paid thirty odd quid for software and yet you are happy to put up with frame rate drops and stutters “once in a while”?

By far the worse feature is that in air to air combat squeezing the trigger locks the machine for long enough to stop you correcting the sight picture.

Totally hopeless!

I think we accept too much cr*p from software manufacturers in general and Microsoft in particular. CFS3 isn’t a finished programme – it’s a full price Beta with no feedback loop.

Moggy

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I bought CFS3 a couple of weeks back and I have to admit I think Microsoft have let themselves down.

Have you installed reference drivers? Apparently the CFS3 engine is quite intensive and requires a ninja PC to run it at a reasonalbe frame rate.

I’ve got a 1.4 Athlon, GeForce2 PRO reference drivers, 512MB RAM and 7,200rpm HD. I can run CFS3 on 1024×768 and all detail settings on 4 (5 is max), now and again the frame rate will drop horrendously and the action will jump, but overall its not too bad I suppose. But considering IL2 runs on my machine at a higher resolution and in my opinion looks a hell of a lot better, I think Microsoft are getting sloppy and hope that their customers can afford the latest hardware.

If you havent got CFS2 or IL2 then I reckon CFS3 would be an OK buy, as there will soon be loads of addons and extra aircraft availble. I think CFS3 can take gmax aircraft so there are going to be a few hundred across the web soon.

Forum squadron sounds cool! I’m in.

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moggy, suggest you keep your most recent download of x-plane.

suggest you go to this site:

http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/scenery/download.html

where you can download any part of the earth, for FREE

there is a particular plac to put it, but i can let you know if your interested.

The main x-plane site is www.x-plane.org

here there are thousands of downloads for two significant versions of x-plane.

There is also a major forum.

They used to do cd’s of x-plane, with scenery for the world for 30 quid, however its just been taking over, so hope they will have that back up soon.

yes, the scenery is not very good, unless you make it good!

there is allot that goes into designing a good aircraf,t most of the stock designs that come with it just arent that great, apart from the spot on airbus airliners.

the panels in most are not custom, you can make your own panels, but takes some time.

sorry if this seems like pushing it! but its not! I just think that for the flight model, it cant be beaten (because more or less it cant!)

coanda

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You will not be dissapointed.
Do you have ADSL?
If so then make sure you download the patches and updates from www.il2sturmovik.com

No bugs in IL2 but just enhancements and additions, plus more planes like the I16 Rata.

It is just gorgeous!!!

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-11-02 AT 05:09 PM (GMT)]Main problems I have with x-plane are

Flight area limited to a corner of westcoast USA unless you are prepared to part with a chunk of money for more scenery. Flight Unlimited 2 was similarly restricted, but at least the graphics were better (And this was 1997)

Panels look awfully clunky (On the few I’ve seen)

Flight model streets better than FS2002 or CFS2 (I won’t even mention CFS3) but still only up to FU1 standard (1995), surely we should have progressed in seven years?

I admit if you want to design your own aircraft there is no comparison. It is just I don’t want to.

Bit like the real-life Jabiru / Europa choice really. Do you want to fly an aeroplane or muck about in your garage?

Moggy

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it is on its way to my hard drive……….

coanda

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I make no comment other tham check out this site

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development.php

All the others are mere `toys` in comparison.