Child takes over JFK control tower

Yes but it is a Turkish airline after all whose safety standards are notoriously low!

Evidence or hearsay?:rolleyes:

control tower kid talk

Kid looks at radar, then at Dad, and casually says:

“Daddy, what does it mean when two dots turn into one dot?”

I’m not too sure what all the fuss is about here, in my part of the world it’s quite common to find children doing the cockpit pre-flight checks on the Boeing jets prior to take off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOK_Z7C3FiY&feature=related

Yes but it is a Turkish airline after all whose safety standards are notoriously low!

Incidentally I love the bit at counter mark 1:32 on the video!

I’m not too sure what all the fuss is about here, in my part of the world it’s quite common to find children doing the cockpit pre-flight checks on the Boeing jets prior to take off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOK_Z7C3FiY&feature=related

I knew wisdom would prevail in the end, Amiga500. 🙂

Nice to see Mr Boyle on a roll. More good old common sense, there!

Oh, you’re really trying hard to make friends and influence people in here, aren’t you?

Watch your language in future, and don’t poke sticks through the bars of the mod cage.

Then all will be well.

GA

*puts stick away* 🙂

Apparently it was a one-liner handing a Jet Blue flight over to departure after take-off. Hardly a critical clearance.

Exactly. I’ve heard the tapes (too many times) in the media.

It was harmless.
Perhaps not smart considering how the media likes to blow things out of proportion and ignorance of aviation(they wouldn’t know a critical peice of radio traffic from a hole in the ground), but harmless.

Trying to equate what happened here with a critical piece of radio work that involves potential traffic conflicts is very silly.

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*and no, not man ure the football team based in the north west of england. 😀

Oh, you’re really trying hard to make friends and influence people in here, aren’t you?

Watch your language in future, and don’t poke sticks through the bars of the mod cage.

Then all will be well.

GA

There are places that are ok to let kids get a hands on experiance and ther are places where it is not. This was one of them.
As soon as the safety of people come into the picture common sense must(not should) prevail.

Sorry but it’s the same principle, exactly the same principle

It is not the same principle.

One has a lag, often of several minutes, during which time corrective action can be taken.

The other doesn’t. You know that.

(BTW, in your other post are you saying children these days have never heard alternative expressions for manure*?)

*and no, not man ure the football team based in the north west of england. 😀

I get paid to write properly in work. I don’t get paid to give a here}

You don’t, but I do. This is a family forum Amiga, yes, children read these forums too. CoC rule 5 applies to you as well.

Dean

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As I said, the “what ifs” will be rolled out now to try and justify a sad and pathetic position.

Are you a pilot or traffic controller? Do you think all pilots are too stupid to realise when a message doesn’t make sense?

Sorry Amiga but you are showing yourself up to be a little ignorant. For example, an ATCO (or kid in this instance) gives a pilot an instruction to “turn left heading 220°, descend altitude 3,000ft QNH 1010. What was meant to be said was “turn left 120°, descend altitude 4,000ft QNH 1001.
Can you tell me that following either would deem the pilots to be “stupid? They both have meaning, one means a safe, executable vector, the other leads to an altitude bust, a descent and turn into a climbing aircraft on the wrong pressure setting. Please don’t sit there and tell me one would have meaning because you should know what direction you should be going, have you ever flown into London Gatwick on a busy morning lately?

Or do you think a traffic controller cannot hear what their child is saying from half a foot away and make a quick corrective transmission if necessary?

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Your live has been strangled by the fear of lawyers (which are really the heart of this problem – health & safety legal actions gone mad).

So according to your logic, God forbid if you ever had to go into hospital for surgery you would let a kid operate on you if the surgeon is standing ½ a foot away? “Come here son, I’ll talk you through it, it’s easy.” Sorry but it’s the same principle, exactly the same principle, and to be honest, you know damn well it’s wrong. There is no place in aviation for kids to be messing around in cockpits, or in control towers – period.

And naaaa my life hasn’t been strangled, and I do not live in fear of lawyers. What I do do is operate a safe and efficient aircraft in accordance with company SOPs to a professional standard, I expect the same from the “professionals” who are providing me with an ATC service.

Best Rgds

Dean

Oh well. when all is said and done I prefer a child to be positioned in the ATC control tower than the pilots seat of an Aeroflot A310!

You don’t seem to be a very nice person, Amiga500. :rolleyes:

not to mention foul language

I guess you’ve never seen the reaction of most engineers when their CATIA/ICEM/Fluent/CFX/ProE/NASTRAN/Abaqus/PATRAN/Compro crashes?

I can assure you there are a more than a few colourful words in the air.

What you’ve in effect done is tell Deano he doesn’t know how to fly simply because he disagrees with you; a remarkable claim to make. We can all be a little blunt at times (myself included – as pretty much everyone on this forum knows), but you’re taking the p!ss.

Nah, I’m sure he knows how to fly quite well. I’m more cheesed off at the systematic crippling of the entire industry by fears over legal actions. The fear being evident in this:

The problems start when something happens, and then you haven’t got a leg to stand on.

Be that over SOWs, over anal amounts of paperwork for anything and everything or over situations like this.

Common sense has long since disappeared… and it pisses me off no end.

When is the last time you were allowed to give a friend or family member a lift in the jump seat Deano? Common sense eh? I think its a disgrace how cowardly the authorities and airlines have become.

Not to stand accused of being biased in any way, that also extends to the OEMs/supply chain, but in a slightly different way.

If fears over legal actions were removed, I guarantee you that the design times for aircraft would decrease to at least 2/3s their current timescales. Procurement are destroying airbus from within right now. If they don’t get their act together (or better yet, be removed totally and let the ETLs handle it directly) and there won’t be an Airbus in 20/30 years time… Comac or the Russians will have moved in and killed them off.

{As for my grammar; I get paid to write properly in work. I don’t get paid to give a here}

Avgas… Perhaps he’s actually a cleaner in a plane factory?

Amiga… Your attitude is disgusting, your arrogance is spectacular and if you work in the industry then you should have more respect for those who operate the machines you supposedly design. What you’ve in effect done is tell Deano he doesn’t know how to fly simply because he disagrees with you; a remarkable claim to make. We can all be a little blunt at times (myself included – as pretty much everyone on this forum knows), but you’re taking the p!ss.

Paul

In answer to your question, I design the things he flies.

Judging by your use of grammar, not to mention foul language, I guess you are somewhere near the bottom of the ladder in the design department!

The guy you’re directing that spectacularly arrogant rant at currently flies for a large UK airline. What’s your experience? It would be good to know why you seem to think you’re in a position to essentially tell a professional commercial pilot he’s talking crap. :rolleyes:

If he doesn’t have the capacity to recognise a dodgy radio transmission, then he is getting paid too much… or is too stiff to operate outside of strict routine, i.e. when something goes wrong (which incidentally is now recognised as the biggest problem with commercial aircraft safety – too many pilots have forgotten how to fly! Don’t quite know what we do to fix that…).

In answer to your question, I design the things he flies.