China Aircraft Carrier Trials

For those in the UK, does anyone remember that great TV show; ‘Goodness Gracious Me’?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNt63Pj2qV4

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Deleting wont be a bad idea either when you read through it and see insults, racist remarks and what not thrown around….

Can saomeone please close this ‘useful’ thread after merging the relevant/interesting bits into the PLAN thread?

(good grief!)
:rolleyes:

Can someone please just CLOSE this thread.

Erm isn’t this thread supposed to be about the Carriers sea trials, most of this discussion should really be in the PLAN thread so this can focus on what little info & images that resulted from the first sea trials !

First sea trial’s over lol. But I agree I don’t think there should be a seperate thread about the PLAN carrier seeing as there are only so few threads in this naval aviation forum.

Erm isn’t this thread supposed to be about the Carriers sea trials, most of this discussion should really be in the PLAN thread so this can focus on what little info & images that resulted from the first sea trials !

ok,
then a simple straight ramp then,
at prevent the cat guy from shooting aircraft into ocean in heaving seas. 😀

and
If I remember correctly the centripetal acceleration from the curve is trivial compare to the non-flare 3 point landings these things has to survive. and if you have a ski-ramped cat, the forces should be minimum.
for a steam cat it would be nightmarish to engineer as you would essentially need a curved cylinder. for EM it’s another story.

if you can save some cat length, not a bad thing either.

I suppose. I just feel the extra complexity and reduced space etc doesn’t make the idea really practical.

ok,
then a simple ramp then,
prevent the cat guy from shooting aircraft into ocean in heaving seas. 😀

Maybe — but just not conduct ops if seas are so inhospitable? If it’s that bad you probably can’t “safely” recover the aircraft either

It also means less space to spot aircraft. Also you either make a smaller catapult or add extra length for the ski jump?

I can’t imagine forcing a plane from the end of a catapult and onto a ramp is good for the plane either? There must be a reason the rest of te world hasn’t adopted or even widely tested this launch method and a catapult+ramp won’t be substantially easier or easier at all to develop as opposed to a catapult alone?

ok,
then a simple straight ramp then,
at prevent the cat guy from shooting aircraft into ocean in heaving seas. 😀

and
If I remember correctly the centripetal acceleration from the curve is trivial compare to the non-flare 3 point landings these things has to survive. and if you have a ski-ramped cat, the forces should be minimum.
for a steam cat it would be nightmarish to engineer as you would essentially need a curved cylinder. for EM it’s another story.

if you can save some cat length, not a bad thing either.

every kilo of payload you can put on the aircraft matters.
having a ramp means a lower speed when off the deck, that means you don;t need to put as much accelerate on the aircraft from a cat. conversely it means when you do take off with a full cat, a bigger payload given an airplane and payload.

safer operations too.

It also means less space to spot aircraft. Also you either make a smaller catapult or add extra length for the ski jump?

I can’t imagine forcing a plane from the end of a catapult and onto a ramp is good for the plane either? There must be a reason the rest of te world hasn’t adopted or even widely tested this launch method and a catapult+ramp won’t be substantially easier or easier at all to develop as opposed to a catapult alone?

If you have cat technology why not put them on bow too? and I dont see any benefits of a ramped cat myself. If you can reliably build a catapult forcing the aircraft off a ski ramp won’t change too much?

I’m hoping for a minimum of two cats on the 50k-60k ton first pair. That weight class should have enough steam for at least two, maybe three, one or two at bow, one on waist.

If catapult tech isn’t quite there yet a varyag like ship will be formidable too — along with other small improvements of course.

every kilo of payload you can put on the aircraft matters.
having a ramp means a lower speed when off the deck, that means you don;t need to put as much accelerate on the aircraft from a cat. conversely it means when you do take off with a full cat, a bigger payload given an airplane and payload.

safer operations too.

I am really hoping for a ramped cat.

best of two worlds.

my guess most likely is that they would go for a pair of waist cat.

If you have cat technology why not put them on bow too? and I dont see any benefits of a ramped cat myself. If you can reliably build a catapult forcing the aircraft off a ski ramp won’t change too much?

I’m hoping for a minimum of two cats on the 50k-60k ton first pair. That weight class should have enough steam for at least two, maybe three, one or two at bow, one on waist.

If catapult tech isn’t quite there yet a varyag like ship will be formidable too — along with other small improvements of course.

Rumor is we might see them on the first pair. We’ll know soon enough.

I am really hoping for a ramped cat.

best of two worlds.

my guess most likely is that they would go for a pair of waist cat.

Any thoughts on weather the PLAN will develop catapults for their CVs?

Rumor is we might see them on the first pair. We’ll know soon enough.

Any thoughts on weather the PLAN will develop catapults for their CVs?

Most definitely, the question is whether they would jump to EM stage directly

Any thoughts on weather the PLAN will develop catapults for their CVs?

Okay, now that the double-standard Japanese-Briton and the Indian troll has taken a rest, I just want to intervene and say that the lines on this flat-top are the most beautiful of all carriers operational. Would you agree? The curving ski-jump just makes it so much more beautiful, and she seems to be in way better shape than the Kuznet.

My timeline as to when it will become fully operational:
2014

I am a bit sad that it has FLANKERS on it, I am hoping the PLAN will come up with a smaller plane that is more STOL, so more can fit in, and it is more efficient.

Smaller planes probably won’t have enough range for whatever ops the plan wants to undertake with it’s carrier. And i don’t think being a smaller fighter will help that much than being a larger one because engine thrust will be less as well/smaller engines?

“China should cease its weapons programs because their not threatened by anyone”.

The most stupid thing I heard, in past 30 seconds. US is pouring money into newer weapons. If China reduces spending the gap will get bigger. At moment US has a limited defence against ICBMs, but in a decade or two, current Chinese ICBMs might be easily countered.

Okay, now that the double-standard Japanese-Briton and the Indian troll has taken a rest

Oh my God, you racist idiot. I’m not Japanese in the slightest. The fact I use the name “Musashi” has got nothing to do where I’m from. If I had called myself “Confucius” would that make me Anglo-Chinese?!

But I suppose the fact I have some criticisms to make of China would make sense if I was Japanese, because as we all know all Japanese people are racists and hate China… :rolleyes:

What exactly is this thread about now?:confused:

The only thing I have to add to all the political back-and-forth mud slinging is that I always find territorial claims based on ‘xxx years ago it was controlled by our ancestors for a little while!’ dubious. I doubt any of us would give a rat’s ass if someone came up to our house and asked us to vacate it because their great great grandfather had once owned it and collected rent from the people living there.

By that yardstick Britain has the right to ask for most of the world’s territory now. And India has the right to ask for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and even a few parts of China thanks to the Mauryan, Mogul and Kushan Empires. And so on…:rolleyes: